you could have taken the time to scan down a couple of threads to see if this has been posted already before you blabbed about news we were made aware of the very day the news came out...

^wow, could you be anymore of rude bi.tch?

anyways, thanks for the newssirkillme, much appreciated

hey, fifth-grade-mentality name-caller, i'm just really angry at the useless direction this once-great forum is going. people indulging in tasteless and unfunny jokes, recreating passages from the books, and posting of old news that everybody in this forum has known since day one. can you fault me for being a little testy at such rapid forum entropy?

There was still no reason to over react to something that was only discussed about in one other post and he already said he apologized if it was old news

screw both of you. if you want news repeated because you failed to listen the first time, or just plain forgot, have at it. the rest of us smart people read the news that was posted on day one.

wow, someone has no life

you can't determine if somebody has no life just because that somebody is angry that the formerly greatest forum on this entire site is going straight into the crapper and becoming a parody of itself, so don't pretend you can. do you understand me?

This forum was never the best forum on GT don't get me wrong it was good but not the best

do i look like i care about your opinion? this forum is about the greatest book series so far of the new millennium. of course it was more popular than most video games. take a look at some stats before you post your worthless opinion as if it means something in an argument, which it never does.

First of al you little bitch you need to realize that your opinions mean nothing and you should also probably get that sand out of your vagina

But while this forum was better then Most video game forums compared to other non-gaming forums it wasn't even in the top three

LOL

Has it dawned on you people that the reason nobody new sticks on this forum is because of your behavior?

Seriously, if I posted a chat and came back to see all this, I would never click thru again.

Just a thought.

not only indulging in fifth-grade name-calling, but naming orifices while doing it? no wonder you can't make a point properly. you have an inability to sound like you're debating a point without emotion. they're not my opinions, they're facts. you have yet to use a fact in your rants.

catahoula, the reason why nobody comes here anymore is because nobody can make a good post anymore. maybe everything to discuss has been discussed. it's definitely not my fault.

you keep it up. it just proves that you have an immature knowledge of slang names for erogenous zones, not any ability to argue with logic.

Fairy Queen, stop, you're just not ready.

This thread is priceless, please keep it going all of you for my entertainment.

not ready for what? a battle of wits with an unarmed person like you?

and freezeframe, that's about all that goes on in this forum these days. nobody wants to discuss harry potter intelligently anymore besides me.

There is nothing intelligent about your bitch-acceptable euphemism for whining.

You randomly critisize someone who has already acknowledged that what he posted as old news because he posted old news; when he's clearly just excited about knowing the information.

Then, you respond to fifth-grader insults, with sixth-grader insults.

Afterwards, you attempt to justify your PMSing with your being bored so you have to entertain yourself by insulting people so you can get off on how superior you think you are.

Your not objective, your not logical. You're just a person who enjoys devolving your misery onto anyone that you sense with a smaller vocabulary. Stop. You're not ready to be that arrogant.

fairy queen, you need to take responsibility for your actions and not hide behind the fact that the people talking to you are using foul language.

you could have taken the time to scan down a couple of threads to see if this has been posted already before you blabbed about news we were made aware of the very day the news came out...

You were rude. There was no reason for you to attack Sirkillme like that. You want there to be a change in the world? It starts with you.

there is nothing wrong with complaining about a great forum going downhill. i'm not bored. and why are you criticizing me about criticizing somebody else? you're the one contradicting themselves. on top of that, i never insulted anybody. last but not least, don't presume to tell me anything, least of all what i'm not ready for, even though i'm not arrogant.

catahoula, i'm not the one needing to take responsibility. many other people need to do that, why am i not seeing you go after them? if they're using foul language as you said, why are you not warning them as well as tagging their posts? "pluck out the beam in thine eye before thou pointest out the mote in mine" and tag the foul language before you tell me anything about responsibility.

there is nothing wrong with complaining about a great forum going downhill.

Some circles would say that there is something wrong with complaining itself, specifically when complaining is fruitless. For example my critique of your behavior is based upon some prospect of your rectifying your behavior once you see the error of your ways. Your complaining about no one caring about this forum anymore will play no part in reviving it, other than drawing controversy - controversy which has nothing to do with this forum's subject matter and will therefore dissipate as easily as it has begun.

i'm not bored. and why are you criticizing me about criticizing somebody else?

Boredom is merely a corollary. It's not the argument. I'm critisizing you to exploit a flaw which is evidently unknown to you. You critisized someone based upon a flaw that they were already aware of and humble about, which is therefore imbecilic.

you're the one contradicting themselves.

There is a difference between a contradiction in an argument and hypocricy. Although I can claim neither.

last but not least, don't presume to tell me anything, least of all what i'm not ready for, even though i'm not arrogant.

The fact that you believe yourself special enough to be infallable based on your claims rather than exposition of evidence combined with the belief that I owe you some sort of respect or consideration which you concurrently refuse to show others is practically the defining criteria of arrogance.

As I said. There will be a time for that. But now, you're just not ready. Maybe in about seven or eight years after some experience in a bigger pool. Big fish. Small pond. This pond only has about what three or four fishies left?

no u

~sigh~

I'm not "going after them" because it is in response to YOUR behavior. I am addressing the first issue without getting side tracked by the second.

You are the one who will end up being banned if you keep attacking new posters. If the language continues without you then others will be banned in turn.

Fairy queen, I also meant you were entertaining because of how ignorant you are.

lol... I must agree, Flame.

recal, did i say i was infallible? no, i never did, that's your presumption, not mine. and once again, i object to your presumptions. get a degree in psychology and a few years experience, maybe i will agree with your presumptions, then again, maybe not. don't lecture me on something you know nothing about, namely me.

catahoula, i never said nobody cared about this forum, i'm saying that the wrong people care about it. the kind of people like kakster who make extremely poor jokes in the place of intelligent discussion. they are what's killing this forum, not me. and i see you still have not tagged the foul language in this thread. i care about this forum, and you're going after me instead of them. just how messed up is that?

and freezeframe, you toss around the word "ignorant" like you know what it means, when you clearly don't.

okay, so let me get this straight, you want to revive this forum which you say was supposedly the best forum on GT?

aren't you displaying behavior that deters fellow posters from discussing the very purpose of this forum judging by the comments?

or are you just simply complaining about this forum? b/c if you are let me be the first in life to tell you that complaining is a characteristic of a "regressive" attitude that gets "nothing" resolved.

i'm telling you the blunt truth, and you can get into as much denial as you want but you must realize that your behavior is doing the very opposite of what you want this forum to become.

take a good look at your posts and be brave enough to question yourself for once in your life.

get help seriously, harry potter is 'NOT' a giant event in history, its a damn book that just happened to get famous and make a couple of movies; get a life

recal, did i say i was infallible? no, i never did, that's your presumption, not mine

Does Hitler admit that his actions are morally dispicable? No, because he does not realize that his agenda is morally despicable. He attempts to justify it. Its not what people say, its what they do. It is what you do. I or anyone else in the world could care less what you claim to be. Claim to be the messiah if you want. If you cause death and destruction, that is what you are defined as: a harbinger of misery, not a messiah.

This is of course, merely an illustration, you certainly are not as bad as Hitler, but the point remains valid. You fruitlessly complain. You maliciously critisize. You refuse to admit error. You debate dishonestly. You refuse to show respect to your fellow forum-dwellers. You ridicule people for minute discrepencies in their level of intelligence as compared with your own. All of these things are readily observable in this post alone. A Psych degree isn't necessary to derive your character, nor is an accurate even derivative necessary as what you do or think outside of this forum has no relevance to this forum. What you do is in tself a bad thing, my suggesting that there are reasons behind it other than simply assuming that you're an idiot is showing you benefit of the doubt, despite totally violating Hanlon's Razor.

i object to your presumptions. get a degree in psychology and a few years experience, maybe i will agree with your presumptions, then again, maybe not.

Ad hominem. Attacking my credencials rather than my argument. Why would you need to do that? Then again, you have said nothing to truly refute me -provided no alternate conclusion that could be drawn from the details which I have drawn my conclusions from. If I say that the world is round, you say "go get a degree in astro-physics before you tell me shit like that."

don't lecture me on something you know nothing about, namely me.

The why's are debateable, the what's are not, which is what I'm lecturing you on. Your arrogance is ungrounded. Your arguments weak. Your tactics dishonest.

I am not presuptuous, you clearly don't know what that means. There are three main connotations:

The first is an assumption which an established court accepts a priori until proven otherwise. Calling my accusations presuptions means that you accept it as truth prior to them being proven wrong. Which you have failed to do. have someone objectively reread our exchange and you will see that.

The second is an assumption made in arrogance. This cannot be true because I have succinctly expounded upon my supporting evidence which is based on your ostentisible actions.

The third is discourtesy which I have no right to. This of course cannot be true because If you give no respect, unless you are extremely good at what you do, you are entitled to none in return. This is why I say wait a few years. get good at what you do, so not even I can talk you down. Until then, you are simply not ready. Show humility and consideration to your fellow brown-belts until you surpass them into black.

Ok if you want to intelligently disuss the book what would you like to discuss

ok, now I am going to say this in BOLD because you are having a hard time distinguishing what it is I am saying.

I'm not "going after them" because it is in response to YOUR behavior. I am addressing the first issue without getting side tracked by the second.

Now, I have removed the random flames and left the topic at hand. Can you see things more clearly?

Accept responsibility for your actions and as far as I am concerned, this can be done with.

'and freezeframe, you toss around the word "ignorant" like you know what it means, when you clearly don't.'

Oh and you know me that well do you? I am fully aware of what it means so don't make stupid conclusions.

Fairy Queen-not trying to be rude or anything, since you already have ppl all over you, but it's best to admit when you're wrong about something and move on....

I'm sure it'll put and end to this small problem...

you, know, i really would like to know why everybody feels they have to exaggerate regarding me and my concern for this forum. virus, i never said that harry potter was a "giant event in history". you said that, not me. i'm saying that this was a really good forum until people felt the need to keep it alive with stupid jokes.

recal, you just got godwin'd with your mention of the nazis. and again with the exaggeration. i'm nowhere near that kind of evil in my concern for this forum. your arguments are no longer valid, and you keep psychoanalyzing me like you have credentials to attack when you clearly don't. you ARE presunming you know what is going on in my head when you don't. get a degree in psychology or back off.

i don't know you at all, freezeflame, i just know you don't know what "ignorant" means judging by your original post using the word.

and catahoula, thank you for doing your job at last.

Well, glad to see that you replied without anger. Your points are less aggressive than in your other replies.

Though, it doesn't fully justify your rudeness, which is how this all started in the first place.

recal, you just got godwin'd with your mention of the nazis. and again with the exaggeration. i'm nowhere near that kind of evil in my concern for this forum. your arguments are no longer valid

Your argument draws its stength from isolating one section of my argument and then exploiting a weakness that does not exist when considering my argument as a whole. Allow me to rephrase myself:

"This is of course, merely an illustration, you certainly are not as bad as Hitler, but the point remains valid."

My argument is valid because the illustration does NOT concern the austerity of your discord, but rather concerns demonstrating that words are irrelevant as compared to what you do, in which case which the two of you are compatable (You and the Hitler). You are basically saying that you cannot say that apples and oranges cannot be called both fruits because one is red, and one is orange. they have differences, but thsoe differences are irrelevant to the subject at hand.

My argument is strong and you will be unable to break it merely with your ad hominem and inane insults. You are simply not... ready... and you keep psychoanalyzing me like you have credentials to attack when you clearly don't. you ARE presunming you know what is going on in my head when you don't. get a degree in psychology or back off.

First, perhaps you might have a misconception about the role of psychologist. A clinical psychologist, one whom actually engages in a dialect with a patient rather than perform experiental studies, are usually considered guides rather than exploiters. Their methods are primarily Socratic, and usually do not make moral judgements. their goal is not to persuade, but moreso to inspire an epiphany about that person's inner self.

What I am doing, is making an argument. That is soemthing that I am a bit mroe qualified in. First, I draw conclusion based upon a set of evidence, and then I explain how they logically follow.

In order to beat me in this game, you will have to discard that myriad of logical fallacy you're accustomed to, the ad hominem, the ignoratio elenchi, and actually refute my arguments, or at the very least, come up with an alternate conclusion based upon the same evidence to force me into a stalemate. If you cannot, then you you may discard your stubborness and practice silence.

you ARE presunming you know what is going on in my head when you don't. get a degree in psychology or back off.

Nope, I have already explained to you how your definition of presuming will not apply. Simply placing emphasis in the ARE in the statement: You ARE presuming accomplashes nothngi but make you sound like a twelve-year old British kid from the first Harry Potter movie. "Oh, I don't care if the world is round, I say the world is flat, then it must be so." Presumptions are accepted a priori, my conclusions are a posteriori. Refute them like you have sense, or simply stop talking, and maybe crawl back into your pond with a lesson. Think of it as being one step closer to being ready.

I did my job "at last" ?? You are unbelievable.

You had your chance to make this roasting party go away, but instead you had to continue with your rudeness.

You are on your own. Enjoy.

O RLY?

...sigh....

Fairy Queen get over it you were wrong the one fault of a lot of smart people is their inability to know when to shut up

the answer to this arguement is --- swiss cheese

recal, i am not insulting anybody, notr am i railing against psychology. i am merely saying that you are NOT a psychologist, and you're not convincing me by using bigger words and long-winded posts. stop pretending to be one. you may be boring and a weak psychologist wannabe, but you're not a mod. give up the pathetic pretense. i can't make an ad-hominem attack against credentials that clearly don't exist.

and consider your bluff called about an ip ban.

recal, i am not insulting anybody

"you could have taken the time to scan down a couple of threads to see if this has been posted already before you blabbed about news we were made aware of the very day the news came out..."

"hey, fifth-grade-mentality name-caller, i'm just really angry at the useless direction this once-great forum is going. people indulging in tasteless and unfunny jokes, recreating passages from the books, and posting of old news that everybody in this forum has known since day one. can you fault me for being a little testy at such rapid forum entropy?"

"you keep it up. it just proves that you have an immature knowledge of slang names for erogenous zones, not any ability to argue with logic."

"not ready for what? a battle of wits with an unarmed person like you?"

"i don't know you at all, freezeflame, i just know you don't know what "ignorant" means judging by your original post using the word."

(This is particularly interesting, since you admit not knowing a person but are able to draw conclusions based on their behavior. OMG, I didn't know that was possible, why didn't I think of that?)

Are you meaning to tell me that none of those statements were made in disdain? Lying to me is one thing. But now you're just lying to yourself.

What's interesting is that you ridicule them for being bereft of logic and being morons, yet when faced with someone who actually uses logic, you are unable to behave logically yourself. Debating is what I do, I do it every day, I enjoy it, I dream about philosophy. And even I am careful against the prospect of eventually being bested by a superior intellect. If I'm not ready to be that arrogant, then you certainly are not.

i am merely saying that you are NOT a psychologist

You are not a pink pony. Now we've both made pointless and irrelevant statements. Your saying that I'm not a psychologist clearly had some type of point, one which I have in fact already refuted long ago.

Ad hominem is attack against a person, rather than attack against their argument. My argument concerns your character. Instead of refuting my logic against your character, you fire on me saying that I'm not a mod, or psychologist, you question my motives, rather than my rationale. My character is irrelevant to your character. "Boring and a weak psychologist wannabe," - That is practically the definition of ad hominem. The only one here who is attempting to use terms which they are clearly not qualified to use, ineffectively pretending to be something that they're not is you. Unlike you I have evidence to back that argument.

I make long posts because I want to be thorough, I believe that you deserve, that everyone deserves to know the logical reasons behind an attack. unlike you, my motives aren't to boost my own pathetic ego, but rather to inspire a change which I believe will benefit everyone, including you.

You are absolutely right! I am basically talking to a brick wall. Now I shall ask, what will convince you? I've cited evidence, which you are either unable or unwilling to refute. I have presented logic which you are either unable or unwilling to prove nonsequitor. I have pointed out ostentisible aspects of yourself, which you are either unable or unwilling to acknowledge. What else is there. Explain it to me. Logic is all I know.

the statements were made in disdain, but that doesn't make them name-calling.

recal, you can analyze all the evidence you want, but if you don't have the proper training and experience, you have no leg to stand on, and you're short on all counts. you are quite simply wrong. i am not arrogant(was your statement in that regard made in disdain?), i'm merely unhappy at the direction this forum is going. save your pseudo-psychology and overlong posts full of hot air for an unfortunate soul who gives a rat's backside.

This forum was 'fine' until you came in and started a pointless argument, JUST because some guy posted a bit of news late.

Recalescence, don't use logic against somebody who thinks you're full of something other than logic(something of the "eyes turning brown" variety). If Fairy Queen thinks you're unqualified, you won't be able to convince her of anything.

And I agree. This forum is going downhill fast.

the statements were made in disdain, but that doesn't make them name-calling.

Logical fallacy: False generalization. Name-calling are insults, but insults are nto necessarily name-calling. The argument, if you recall was:

"i never insulted anybody."

The definition of an insult is a statement which is meant to offend. By saying that I am unarmed at a battel of wits, you were disdainful, but you did not mean to offend? By calling someone's excitement "blabber," you were disdainful, but you did not mean to offend. Words spoken in disdain are almost always insults.

recal, you can analyze all the evidence you want, but if you don't have the proper training and experience, you have no leg to stand on, and you're short on all counts. you are quite simply wrong

You are incorrect. It does not take a medical degree to diagnose a common cold. In fact, on occasion, you do not need a medical degree to diagnose MS. You will have a HIGHER likelyhood of error, however credecials do not ensure accuracy, and inversely, lack of credencials do not ensure error. For example, many home remedies for simple diseases such as chickenpox or colds, scientists have discovered that these near-archaic methods actually do improve the symptoms of diseases. These certified doctors and scientists now merely have the prowess to discover why at a chemical and biological level.

No, credecials mean little in the realm of truth. Einstein didn't even pass the entrance exam for SFIT, the Wright brothers didn't even recieve a high school diploma. But the universe functions according to logic, and they had logic to back up their theories. As do I. Refute the logic, or sit down young grasshopper.

i am not arrogant(was your statement in that regard made in disdain?)

No, my statements in this conversation made in disdain are as follows:

"There is nothing intelligent about your bitch-acceptable euphemism for whining."

"Afterwards, you attempt to justify your PMSing with your being bored so you have to entertain yourself by insulting people so you can get off on how superior you think you are."

I believe, just about everything else is made in an objective argument form. I said that, of course, because I was not only furious at your disrespectful behavior, but myself offended by the fact that you would cast your stones at me unprovoked. Do unto others, right?

i'm merely unhappy at the direction this forum is going.

Your misery does not excuse your behavior, now refer to my previous argument against that behavior. Only children get away with letting their emotions get ahead of their mouth, and even they get their hands slapped at least.

save your pseudo-psychology and overlong posts full of hot air for an unfortunate soul who gives a rat's backside.

I have already refuted this, but...

You have not answered my question. How can you be convinced? If you cannot be convinced, well, then that proves my previous statement: you believe yoruself infallable. This is what the scientific method is, if your hypothesis is correct then you should be able to make predictions and be proven right experimentally. If you want to preserve your own ego, well, then you could just walk away and keep telling yourself that I don't know what I'm talking about. But you keep responding, meaning you must to some degree care what I or the other members of thsi forum think. Do you think any of us think that you're right, or even credible yourself right now? We will, only once you discredit me logically.

If you can, congradualtions, here's your diploma. If you cannot then: Go home, you are not ready.

Recalescence, don't use logic against somebody who thinks you're full of something other than logic(something of the "eyes turning brown" variety). If Fairy Queen thinks you're unqualified, you won't be able to convince her of anything.

Perhaps, but what's interesting is that there's no way of her knowing how qualified or not I am, She is clearly unfamiliar with psychological principles herself to be judging whether or not my knowledge suits the criteria. Some people may possess all the knowledge but not claim the title. For example, even at the last month of medical school, I would not consider myself a doctor until after actually graduating. Anyway, I love debating. If you love putting together a puzzle, you should keep going even if you never figure it out.

lol... this is very amusing....

lat me put it this way, recal. if you have determined that talking to me is like talking to a brick wall, where's the LOGIC on still talking to said brick wall?

i know you have no qualifications to psychoanalyze me because you called me arrogant when i know i am not arrogant. your long-winded posts are off-topic. use what logic you think you have and give up lecturing me when i will never be convinced of, nor interested in, anything you say.

lat me put it this way, recal. if you have determined that talking to me is like talking to a brick wall, where's the LOGIC on still talking to said brick wall?

The logic is that it proves my point. You are both the subject and the experiment. Simply by talking to you, I am gaining evidence for your arrogance. For example: If you admit that you area brick wall, you are suggesting an adamance dispite logic, which means infallability, which means arrogance. I win, wither way, its a trap that you set yourself into.

i know you have no qualifications to psychoanalyze me because you called me arrogant when i know i am not arrogant. your long-winded posts are off-topic. use what logic you think you have and give up lecturing me when i will never be convinced of, nor interested in, anything you say.

Nothing which I said is off topic because it expounds my argument. One-third of my posts are quotations of the argument itself. One third-of my posts are commentary, and one third of my posts are illustrations of that argument (such as the argument from medicine and history). Your inability to grasp such simple relationships suggests incompetence. In which case, you are definitely not ready.

Complaining that my posts are long-winded also amounts to nothing. The constitution is a pretty lengthy document, I suppose that we should burn it.

Your claim to qualification is again ad hominem, and does not make any sense. I expect to never see you arguing about Harry Potter, because you clearly don't have a degree in it (of course you could have a degree in literary analysis, in which case you would probably be tolerant of my 'long-winded posts' and would probably have better sentence structure yourself)). Hell, you might not even be qualified to say that that Harry Potter is the greatest book of the millenium since I'm sure that you haven't read ever book written thus far of the millenium. It's popular? So were bell-bottoms. So is lung cancer. Many great immortal works don't pick up until years after they're written, many are only punblished after the author dies. The fact that its popular only equates to greatness if you're some seventeen-year old glamor girl in high school. Sure, you're automatically wrong that Harry Potter is good because your'e not qualified.

Besides, If you want to talk about mass appeal, It seems that the majority of people on this post thinks that you're full of yourself. I suppsoe that they're automatically right.

Mass appeal and ad hominem are both logical fallacies, I just wanted to illustrate how absurd your rationale is.

What will convince you if not logic? If you cannot be convinced, then you believe yourself as infallable, which is concurrently arrogance. Answer the question or admit that you're arrogant, or at least give me a counterexample against my syllogism.