I've been a vegan for the last month. =)

Being Vegan is being scared of nature's creations. Are you gonna let nature push you around? Sure, you can pick away at the leafy stuff. But you're scared of the stuff that moves. Aren't you.

Nope. I'm perfectly safe, and have no reason to be a predator at all. Same goes for you, is my bet. So I really don't see the reason for having to eat them.

hmmm..I was thinking..if everyone was a vegetarian or vegan wouldn't we be over crowded with animals?

What about the fact meat tastes extremely good. Hmm. What about that.

what about that fact that those animals are given growth hormones to make 'em grow faster and give more milk?

Yummy.

i want to become a vegitarean because i h8 how they slaughter the animals and i think its wrong to kill and animal for its meat and not use everything to it....

They DO use everything to it. I hate you "bleeding heart" people.

"OH EMM JEE, people are starving in Africa! We have to help them instead of feeding AMERICA'S poor people!"

"OH MY GAWSH! The rainforest! We have to save it!! NOO!"

Just gtfo.

why should i? so what im a tree hugger....

I can respect vegetarians, but I think that there are bigger things to worry about than animals being slaughtered. People are dying. The shirt your wearing right now was probably made by an 11 year old in china getting paid 10 cents per hour. There's probably some starving kid somewhere thats thinking if he's gonna make it through the week. And people are worrying about animals.

Besides.... if we weren't meant to eat beef, God wouldn't made cows taste so good... and pigs, and chickens, and fishies, and litte baa baa lambs, and deers, and rabbits, and... and... ZOMG! I'm hungry now!

But on a serious note... yes, there are more important matters in the world, than killing animals, for food. Thousands of children die every day, of diseases that can be stopped by simple vaccines. If "tree-hugging, whale-saving" groupies would put their time and energy into more important world matters, then maybe they would actually make a difference.

"hmmm..I was thinking..if everyone was a vegetarian or vegan wouldn't we be over crowded with animals?"

No, we would no longer be breeding them.

"What about the fact meat tastes extremely good."

That's subjective. In fact, it's not even really worth responding towards. But if that's your argument, then, hey, whatever.

If everyone were vegetarian, then many other problems would be fixed as well. Like that food crisis? At least 70% of the crops grown in the US are fed to our cattle. If we didn't cycle it through the animals, vegetarian food prices would drop, and we could feed so many more people.

"The shirt your wearing right now was probably made by an 11 year old in china getting paid 10 cents per hour."

That's a completely different issue. But you know what, I'm glad I give them factory jobs. It means they won't become prostitutes, take to subsistence farming, or die from starvation from unemployment.

And yes, there are other important issues in the world...what's your point? Not eating meat doesn't inherently mean you'll ignore everything else.

Agis, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. And YOU don't get enough protein in your diet.

What we're saying is, instead of trying to save the cows, save PEOPLE. PEOPLE. PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE. That's what matters. PEOPLE.

what I don't understand..other animals eat each other..why can't we?

In my last reply, I said, "Not eating meat doesn't inherently mean you'll ignore everything else." That includes PEOPLE, PEOPLE, and PEOPLE.

And I get plenty of protein, thanks. Not that you'd know.

"what I don't understand..other animals eat each other..why can't we?"

They're probably carnivores. But even if not, we still don't /need/ to eat animals.

Obviously we do, or meat wouldn't be so irresistible.

I know you're just trying to be funny, Johnny. But since it's obviously just irritating to me, you're still a jerk for keeping on with it. So drop it.

MEAT = GUD

VEGETABLES = BAD

Case closed.

Objection!*points at you*

You say vegetables are bad?You're wrong!

Vegetable contain water soluble vitamins like vitamin B and C, fat soluble vitamin A and Vitamin D and also contain carbohydrates and minerals.....thus making vegetables healthy to eat..

So vegetables being bad...I think not.

MEAT BETTUR THO SO U SUK LULZ

All foods all equally good..except for junk food..yeah meat gives protein..but without the other stuff..it could create problems..

"what about that fact that those animals are given growth hormones to make 'em grow faster and give more milk?"

Considering that those hormones are already naturally produced by the cows anyways? That whole issue was mainly set up to scare uneducated people simply by seeing the word "hormones".

Also Agis, where did you get that stat about 70% of our crops being fed to just cattle? I could assume it's very likely that that percentage doesn't account for crops that aren't for human consumption in the first place. Like a recent commercial I just saw, the gist of it basically was that stats can be made to say anything nearly all of the time.

Over the course of being a vegetarian/vegan, I've seen that stat come up more than once. From the BBC news, UN studies, and from Cornell University News--or whatever.

And those crops not used for human consumption(only cattle consumption, then?) would not be used anymore if the demand was gone. And that land could instead be used for crops that are for human consumption.

Personally I still wouldn't trust it until I could see exactly how that stat was determined including what crops and what conditions of them. You also have to realize a lot of those ideas are just pipe dreams of vegetarians and people with little understanding of farm economics. It puts a large drain on the soil if you aren't rotating crops, even with simply soybeans and and corn. The crops which are used for animal feed instead such as alfalfa and other grasses tend to be less taxing on the soil while still allowing a use for the crop. If all you're doing is producing crops for human use, you tend to tax the soil a whole lot more than you would otherwise. The other problem with the idea of just growing more corn and whatnot is simply that farmers get the shaft enough as it is. Before this temporary spike in corn, wheat, and soybean prices, the profit margin on the craps sure wasn't anything to brag about. Once they get back down to those levels, farmers sure aren't going to want to push the price down further by growing even more crops to lessen demand. Corn is probably the worst once for that instance where it costs so much to even produce it that in some years a poor crop doesn't even give you a positive net gain. When that occurs the crop just won't be planted to avoid losing money rather than push the prices down even more by planting more. That's part of the reason why the Great Depression started.

It's funny how I'm usually almost always saying that taking a basic level college course in science, especially scientific method, would do everyone a whole lot of good, but in this case basic knowledge on farming practices would do much more. I've run into too many vegetarians who make these same claims, yet know nothing of how things actually work in agriculture.

Alfalfa and other grasses don't need to be used as animal feed. No, we're not meant to eat grass, but using alfalfa as an example, it's use applies to its various and beneficial vitamins and proteins, along with being used in medicines.

"You also have to realize a lot of those ideas are just pipe dreams of vegetarians and people with little understanding of farm economics."

Along with the other sources I've mentioned, I don't really buy into that on the whole.

Agis, you've been a vegetarian a month. If I was a member of the Army for a month, I wouldn't try and spray philosophical ways about it before I actually invested my time in years of actually sustaining a self-belief of how it works, it's ways. and how I myself would feel about it.

All vegetarians act like saints.

What sources? Agis you have haven't mentioned a single source or study that I could look up. It's really seeming to me that you've been relying more on the propaganda used by some vegetarian groups rather than looking at the facts yourself. Your lack of understanding in seeing the issue as a whole has shown that.

Okay, fine, think whatever you guys want.

Well my family is vegetarian but me and the other kids in the family (cousins) eat meat. I am really skinny and underweight so my mom doesn't mind it if I eat meat. But all I eat is chicken anyways and that is only if I eat out. I guess I kinda saw both sides of this story and neither is right or wrong. You people need to learn how to respect each other for your differences. If people chose to eat meat let them. If people chose to be vegetarians or vegans let them. Seriously if people didn't argue over stupid stuff like this and put their minds to something important we could have cures to diseases and things.

PS: I did read an article that said vegetarians were better in bed though lol.

Often times it's not what one eats that is in question either though. For me I really don't care if someone is a vegetarian or not. What does bother me is things that are used, generally propaganda, half truths, or outright lies that certain groups (PETA to name a big one) use on people. For many uneducated people the things they say seem to perfectly make sense, yet there are glaring holes in their reasons for people to be like the specific group. I'll use Agis as a quick example again of farming practices, how many vegetarians that are so vocal actually have a great deal of expertise in agriculture? Not very many at all. Since I have an extensive background in agriculture, I tend to spot things such as misconceptions that are used as truth by some people to further their agenda. I'm skeptical of many vegetarians that use those tactics once, because usually their logic is riddled with them simply because they're only following propaganda of a specific group rather than gaining knowledge of what's going on and how things actually work in the field in question. In the end it's a lot bigger issue than simply dividing an issue into two sides, but it's what those two sides are saying to convince other people that becomes the biggest problem.