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Posted by: DIE KILL DIE
Apr 29, 2008  (12 days and 18 hours ago)
Alright so, I have to write a speech about Violence in video games...

So, I'm saying that: Playing violent video games dosen't make people violent. But while I have been trying to find info on this, all arguments I have found have said that it does cause violence. There is suprisingly few arguments that I can find that support my point of view. So, if anyone knows a good site that I can go to please let me know. Or if you have your own point of view on this issue feel free to post it here and I might quote you in my speech. :)

Thanks.

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It's all about human nature. We tend to forget the good and act like the bad happens more often than it does.

Think about it from this perspective. If someone goes to a restaurant, and they have an average experience, they probably won't really say anything about it. But, on the other hand, if they have a bad experience they might complain to the manager and complain to other people. Forget keeping silent if they have more than one bad experience at the same place. Even if this person were to go to that restaurant every week for 3 years, and had 3 bad experiences all of a sudden, they would complain and talk about it all the time.

That's what happens with video games. They pretty harmless except for the people with mental problems that have problems distinguishing reality from a virtual world. There have been a few cases where things have gone wrong, so that's all anyone hears about. Forget the millions of hours everyone else in the world plays video games without anything happening.

Yeano
Apr 30, 2008
(12 days and 14 hours ago)

I did a similar paper a couple of years ago. You're biggest help will be the DA from Florida that likes to blame video games for everything.

I believe he said that some of those games were simulators, which is easy to argue as in it doesn't take skill to push a button compared to actually pulling a trigger while aiming.

You may want to revise your title in saying Video Games Does Not Make People Violent, because then you can use the pros of video games more. RPGs are like interactive stories that can expand one's reading and vocabulary as well as basic algebra skills.

Another argument is look at video games in the late 80s to the mid 90s, if they had that much effect on people, we would be eating dots, jumping on moving mushrooms and turles, and blasting away evil machines bent on taking over the world.

Basically your key argument is this: That people must accept responsibility for themselves and not place blame on outside media for everything that happens. The game didn't tell you to go out and kill, in fact games have warning labels for that reason that certain people shouldn't play them until they hit the mature age.

Aragni
Apr 30, 2008
(12 days and 13 hours ago)

the DA from Florida that likes to blame video games for everything.

Jack Thompson? Maybe.

Anyways, I probably can't help you much, but from my own experience, it doesn't CAUSE violence for me, at least. I've played violent video games for years and I don't go beating up people or shooting them, though I'd like to oftentimes, but that's a different story. I believe raising a child with violent video games will probably cause violence at some point. That's because they're still developing, and if that's all they learn, then that's all they'll know. It's like teaching someone a language or math, but instead, you're teaching them violence. While it's not something physical, it's still ingrained in their mind. My nephew, for example, is only about 5-6 years old and has played lots of violent video games, unfortunately. Children make up stories all the time; those tall-tales you always hear and the ones that people laugh at. While my mom laughs at his stories, I find it odd how his always revolve around his dad being shot (when he has, and has never been in a bad situation like that) and his dad shooting cops, stuff blowing up, lots of blood, stolen cars and pretty much everything else you'll find in a video game where you run from cops, or shoot at them (not talking about GTA, specifically, because I don't think he's played that, but similar games). While he's not violent, it's obviously in his mind a lot. It's come to the point where I don't allow him to play video games like that.

Anyways, that's my personal experience. Children shouldn't be allowed to play horribly violent video games like that because it gets to their developing mind too much. It hasn't caused violence for my nephew, but it's come to the point where it's in his mindset so much that I find it disturbing, which says a lot.

I can't provide you with hardcore proof of anything, but it could be beneficial to provide your own personal experiences. Lots of people play violent video games, yet they're not out acting out what they've played. It's hard to show that they don't cause violence, and truly, it's equally as hard to show that they do cause violence. But people like to use the whole "correlation implies causation" when that is always not true. Jack Thompson, one of the more outspoken people against video games, likes to use that argument whenever a shooting or beating happens. If that person has played a video game, he tries to link it to that game. Of course, people take games too seriously, but it's almost impossible to say that video games have CAUSED the violence. Maybe sometimes ideas will be taken from the game, but you can't say it's caused the violence.

In summation, if your mind is developed, then it more than likely doesn't make a difference whether you play violent games or not. It shouldn't change you much. As for children, I cannot say that it will cause violence in them, either. But they're still taking in ideas from their surroundings, still learning. If all they learn is violence then, more likely than not, that's all they'll show.

ScoobyDoo
Apr 30, 2008
(12 days and 11 hours ago)

Typo in my first main paragraph

his dad being shot (when he has, and has never been in a bad situation like that)

That should read (when he HASN'T, and has never been in a bad situation like that)

Also when I said ""correlation implies causation" when that is always not true", I'd like to say that "correlation implies causation" oftentimes isn't not true. What I said originally said understates what I meant.

ScoobyDoo
Apr 30, 2008
(12 days and 11 hours ago)

That's the one. Whatever happened to accepting responsibility for your actions?

Aragni
Apr 30, 2008
(12 days and 8 hours ago)

In your speech, remember to also acknowledge the other side. You may be trying to argue against it but you have to say it exists in order to have an arugment.

Also, you may want to refine your argument. It may help you defend it a bit if you specify older teenagers or adults as the people. I'm not really saying that games made children violent, but children are more impressionalable like ScoobyDoo said. They have more trouble distinguishing fantasy and make believe from reality. And although they may never take a gun to school they may want to play more with toy guns and behave like a hero from a vilent game.

I'm sure there has been research done on this topic. Try looking for articles from universities. If your school library has a datebase of research articles that may be a place to look.

Lady Flare
Apr 30, 2008
(12 days and 6 hours ago)

Alright, thanks again guys. You've given me a lot to... copy and paste, oh I mean "think about"... lol. But seriously, thanks for your help.

DIE KILL DIE
Apr 30, 2008
(11 days and 19 hours ago)

  • =But while I have been trying to find info on this, all arguments I have found have said that it does cause violence.=

    Then it could be that your on the wrong side of the argument. You take opposition to your position into consideration, not just ignore it and look for something that backs up your point of view. But you have a thesis that you must gather information for so I cant blame ya.

    I cant help much because I am almost certain video games do cause violence. I have played games since a very young age, Games are fun the closer to reality they are, even with unreal themes such as alien opponents and worlds they always still strive to make the most realistic game physics and human-intelligent opponents. Hence why multiplayer is so much more preferred. And so the fun in the games relies into how much the game can condition you and make you believe your something else, till the point where shooting in game becomes reflexive. And you are faced with a never ending demand to kill from authorities within the games objectives and rewarding system. You cannot choose to be a pacifist in a game, if you do not kill you fail.

    These same conditioning tactics are used by the military to insure that the soldier will pull the trigger at the right time.

    It also supports the idea that killing is easy. The brain starts out with natural resistances to killing someone from the same species. And the constant violence in every form of media depicting killing, even for a good cause, as easy.

    What they don't tell you is that the majority of soldiers through out history do not attempt to kill the enemy. This runs contradictory what movies depict every day. Only 15-20% of soldiers under fire would engage the enemy 85% would be non-firers, during WW2. As a still young person who has played violent video games since 7, I met the above fact with disbelief when I first read it.

    The army now conditions its soldiers very well. In the Korean War, the figure of firers rose to 55% and in Vietnam 90%. How? By from the very first day in training "simulating" actual combat down to the most minute detail. The word simulate cannot have enough emphasis, and it is exactly what video games do to people of every age (to a much lesser extent than Military conditioning)

    Regardless pwning noobs is still fun.

    sorry to rant.

  • Remmy9
    May 2, 2008
    (9 days and 19 hours ago)

  • As a still young person who has played violent video games since 7.

    You see the label on the bottom corner that says MA? That doesn’t stand for "Mega Awesome" you know. They have a reason, like ScoobyDoo said; children are more affected by violence.

    However you do make some good points about the military and that violent games DO force you to kill to proceed in the game. Maybe they should make a negotiating game? Lol. I doubt that would be much fun though. Or maybe they could make a game where you were the cop and NOT the gangster? You chase down the crooks and arrest them without trying to kill them and if you do.... There’s a crap heap if paperwork to fill out! Lol.

  • DIE KILL DIE
    May 3, 2008
    (9 days and 10 hours ago)

    There are games similar to what you mentioned. "Negotiating" games. Games like SWAT 4 and some Rainbow Six games where your objective is to save people (which sometimes requires killing, but not always) with minimal use of force. I played SWAT 4 quite often, and I really liked it. It was fun to always use the non-lethal weaponry; pepperball guns, pepper spray, beanbag shotgun, stinger grenades, flashbangs, tasers. It definitely made things interesting, and it was a nice change from the "run in with guns blazing" mentality. It was harder, and necessary to use non-lethal things sometimes, which was fine by me.

    Of course, I always liked using my taser on people and bringing them to their knees, then pulling out my .357 and shooting them in the forehead, execution style. But that's just me.

    ScoobyDoo
    May 3, 2008
    (9 days and 2 hours ago)

    I shouldn't just say "SWAT 4". All the SWAT games were like that. Go in with a SWAT team, take down the bad guys with lethal/non-lethal weapons, save people. And I played the original Rainbow Six a while ago, when saving people was a good thing. Dunno how that series is nowadays. But they did have stealth games, where it'd be bad to kill people.

    ScoobyDoo
    May 3, 2008
    (9 days and 2 hours ago)


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