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Posted by: SuperSid
damn strait
May 10, 2008  (6 days and 18 hours ago)
muslims

in thier books it says that muslims should be peaceful, than why are thy blowing up people. i tgink most muslims are dumbasses and they should blow themselves up. (i am no damn muslim)

There are 43 Replies:
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tgink = think

i am sry i was typeing fast.

SuperSid
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 18 hours ago)

Yeahhh! What is up with that man. I hate seeing those stinky filthy rags moving around my community. Especially the big fat black ones with the total coverage and big moles on her cheek. Witch right there.

asdfgggdsfasasdfasd
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 18 hours ago)

Wow.. Just major face palm right there...

The Muslims that are "blowing themselves up" are called "radical extremists" (probably afiliated with the Taliban) and they do not represent the rest of the Muslim society. In every main monothestic religion--you'll see a bunch of extremists. But the ones that don't harm others--far out number the ones that do.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 18 hours ago)

What do you mean "in thier books it says that muslims should be peaceful"?

Qwey
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 18 hours ago)

In the Qur'an it says killing people is largely prohibited and is considered a sin. In fact, the Qur'an states that killing one person, is like killing the entire population.

The terrorists that think killing is OK, are brainwashed to thinking that they are fulfilling God's wishes by killing their so called enemies.. and thus make them think they will die as a martyr and go to Heaven.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 17 hours ago)

why are you sticking up for muslims are you a muslims?

SuperSid
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 17 hours ago)

Yes, in the Qur'an it clearly states:

If one is to kill a man, let it be as if he has killed all mankind; and if a man saves the life of a man, let it be as if he has saved the lives of all mankind.

These are supposed to be the words of Allah, the god whom they worship.

Temerity
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 17 hours ago)

No, I'm not a "Muslims", I was a "Muslim" though. And if you think the majority of Muslims are suicide bombers--then you seriously need to get an education, and stop listening to the media.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 17 hours ago)

"Allah" is the same God of Christians and Jewish people--and of other Monothestic religons.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 17 hours ago)

"Allah" is the same God of Christians and Jewish people--and of other Monothestic religons.

No disrespect but how can you say that? If that was true, why dont Muslims accept that Jesus is Son of God?

And there are numerous other Muslim beliefs that conflict with Christians and Jews.

And if you think the majority of Muslims are suicide bombers--then you seriously need to get an education, and stop listening to the media.

Most Muslims arent bombers. But most bombers are Muslims. Hence the negative image.

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 15 hours ago)

...and stop listening to the media.

Are you suggesting that the media be censored and controlled?

"Allah" is the same God of Christians and Jewish people--and of other Monothestic religons.

→http://tinyurl.com/6focfw

→ http://tinyurl.com/595lkc

Allah =/= Jehovah or Yahweh

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 15 hours ago)

"Allah" is the same God of Christians and Jewish people--and of other Monothestic religons.

Wikipedia makes a comparison of God in Islam, Christain and Jew: http://tinyurl.com/587ey5

and stop listening to the media.

some muslims tried to censor Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/2yb75h

A comment on this topic form Slashdot:

"This being Islam we're talking about, it propably won't take too long before death threats start flying, and it's always possible some lunatic will decide to carry them out, or take less drastic action, such as a cyber-attack against the Wikipedia servers. Making sure that the database is safe from any such attacks is only common sense; and the easiest way to accomplish that is to back it up and spread the copies to as many places as possible.

Cue a hundred replies claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance; and maybe it is - I wouldn't know, since I haven't read their holy book. All I know is that it certainly seems attract lots of bloodthirsty lunatics who use their religion as an excuse to live up to their murderous nature."

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 15 hours ago)

"Allah" is the same God of Christians and Jewish people--and of other Monothestic religons.

'No disrespect but how can you say that? If that was true, why dont Muslims accept that Jesus is Son of God?'

Ask any Muslim that, God is the same in all Monothestic religions. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have their similarities and differences--thats a known fact. Muslims for one, do not believe in the Holy Trinity. They respect "Jesus" as a prophet, but not the son of God. They think that God cannot have a son or an offspring.

'Most Muslims arent bombers. But most bombers are Muslims. Hence the negative image.'

But only a TINY fraction of Muslims represent that image, and they are brainwashed Muslim Extremists like the Taliban. You have NO idea what Muslims have to go through following 9/11. The terrorists have gave Muslims a bad image, and the Media only shows too much of NEGATIVE aspects of what Muslim people go through--especially with all this war in the Middle East and Afghanistan. How often do you ever see anything good about Muslims showing up in the media? They scarcely show the good side of Islam, such as Ramadan--fasting for half a day, and giving alms to poor.

'Are you suggesting that the media be censored and controlled?'

What I am saying is--they do not correctly portray Muslims and other people from wars of the Middle East. They show mostly negative images, and hardly ever the good side of Islam. If you REALLY want to know, take a class about Islam, and/or just research for yourself.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 14 hours ago)

But only a TINY fraction of Muslims represent that image, and they are brainwashed Muslim Extremists like the Taliban. You have NO idea what Muslims have to go through following 9/11. The terrorists have gave Muslims a bad image, and the Media only shows too much of NEGATIVE aspects of what Muslim people go through--especially with all this war in the Middle East and Afghanistan. How often do you ever see anything good about Muslims showing up in the media? They scarcely show the good side of Islam, such as Ramadan--fasting for half a day, and giving alms to poor.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 14 hours ago)

ok. i respect your opinions yosouf. but Muslim and Christian/Jewish beliefs are so different that God and Allah cannot be same (read my links above) in my opinion.

And the media is just reporting *unbiased truthful* news. Whats so "negative" about it?

You have NO idea what Muslims have to go through following 9/11

And dont forget those who lost their loved ones that day.

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 14 hours ago)

"In the Qur'an it says killing people is largely prohibited and is considered a sin. In fact, the Qur'an states that killing one person, is like killing the entire population."

"Yes, in the Qur'an it clearly states: If one is to kill a man, let it be as if he has killed all mankind; and if a man saves the life of a man, let it be as if he has saved the lives of all mankind. These are supposed to be the words of Allah, the god whom they worship.

First of all, this passage is lifted from the Pharisees. It's part of Jewish law, which was reiterated in the NT, and then plagiarised and adulterated as part of Islam. You're forgetting the key difference though:

• On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person — UNLESS it be for murder or for SPREADING MISCHIEF in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: EXECUTION, or CRUCIFIXION, or the CUTTING OFF OF HANDS AND FEET from opposite sides, or EXILE from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter (S.5:32-33)

So then the pertinent question is, what does it mean to "wage war against Allah and His Messenger" or spread "mischief"?

• 'Wage war' mentioned here means, OPPOSE and CONTRADICT, and it includes DISBELIEF, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir "The Punishment of those Who Cause Mischief in the Land")

If to wage war merely means to oppose and contradict Mohammed or simply to disbelieve in Allah, just imagine what mere mischief means... And for opposition, contradiction, and disbelief, they are to be executed, crucified, mutilated, or exiled.

So while the original Jewish statement did not have these brutal caveats, Mohammed introduced them into the Qur'an.

"Allah" is the same God of Christians and Jewish people--and of other Monothestic religons.

• If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). (S.3:85)

• In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. (S.5:17)

• They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. (S.5:72)

• They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. (S.5:73)

• The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! ("How perverse are they!") (S.9:30)

If they believe in the same god, why is Christian worship blasphemy? Why is no other religion accepted but Islam if what's required is submission to Allah?

"You have NO idea what Muslims have to go through following 9/11."

Fewer hate crimes. http://tinyurl.com/2mdkj9 More acquiescence to Islamic beliefs out of fear of retaliation.

"They scarcely show the good side of Islam, such as Ramadan--fasting for half a day, and giving alms to poor."

Mohammed used Ramadan fasting to 'prove' the inferiority of women:

• Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." (Bukhari V1B6N301)

As for paying Zakat (charity for the purposes of feeding poor Muslims and funding jihad), it is a pillar of Islam, meaning deviation from it is apostasy, which is punishable by death. Muslims who refused to give were murdered on the spot.

• Abu Bakr As-Siddiq used this and other honorable Ayat {the Ayah of the Sword, S.9:5) as proof for fighting those who refrained from paying the Zakah. These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations. Allah mentioned the most important aspects of Islam here, including what is less important. Surely, the highest elements of Islam after the Two Testimonials, are the prayer, which is the right of Allah, the Exalted and Ever High, then the Zakah, which benefits the poor and needy. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir This is the Ayah of the Sword)

Qwey
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 13 hours ago)

I am Jew, and if Middle Eastern Muslims moved into my neighborhood I would be concerned.

Islam is basically corrupted plagiarism of Judaism/ Christianity.

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 12 hours ago)

The teachings of the Qur'an promote peace--but that doesn't mean every single follower is 100% pure. There are equally as many good Muslims are there are of other beliefs in the world.

And the whole Israel and Palestine war IMO is stupid imo. Also the controversy for the "holy land" that some Muslims and Jewish people fight for is stupid also.

Since when do humans have the right to think they own land? The land was here before us, if anything we owe nature.

And ex-Muslm or not, I don't hate jews.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 12 hours ago)

The teachings of the Qur'an promote peace--but that doesn't mean every single follower is 100% pure. There are good and bad people from all walks of life and in every religion, ethnicity, group, etc. There are equally as many good Muslims are there are of other believers of other religions in the world.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 12 hours ago)

Also the controversy for the "holy land" that some Muslims and Jewish people fight for is stupid also.

Jews believe the Holy Land was given to them by Yahweh after they were freed from slavery in Egypt.

Since you say that Yahweh = Allah, shouldnt Muslims also accept the Holy Land belong to Jews?

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 12 hours ago)

Whats with these stupid questions?!? About you asking "IF Muslims believe in God/Allah.. Why don't they..believe in.. Like the Christians/Jews" Like I said before.. All of the monotheistic religions have their differences, and some beliefs from each religion contradict each other. And honestly.. I'm not a religious person nor do I give a crap. You're asking the wrong guy now.

Also I don't exactly know what the holy land thing is about. but either way.. I think its stupid. Many Jews say it belongs to them, Muslims say othersie.. yadayadaydad.. I don't understand how you can even fit God into this--about this holy land. Religion was created by man for the most part--and as for the epiphanies.. I will give the benefit of the doubt on those.

But again.. Since when do humans have the right to say they "own" a piece of land when they were one of the last living beings to be brought to life in this world. They must share it with other animals and plants. Well thats what I think.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 11 hours ago)

"The teachings of the Qur'an promote peace"

Really? Show me. Because they haven't been promoting much of that since they were narrated by Mohammed.

The very first Islamic terrorist act occurred in 624 CE when Mohammed plotted attacks on unarmed Arab civilian caravans to commit highway robbery. The rest, as they say, is history.

Qwey
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 11 hours ago)

Your view of muslims is very negative,You must have an extremely volitile racist view on other's. Not all muslim's are extremist's just like not all people agree to believe in something when they know it is wrong and against there moral's.

"PHREGHEROB PER LEI"

Celtwanderer
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 10 hours ago)

I don't exactly have a Qur'an in hand with me, and I don't know where the verses are by heart. And like I said.. I'm not a practicing Muslim. As for promoting peace, I already said one of them--as someone alse agreed on as stated:

'Yes, in the Qur'an it clearly states:

If one is to kill a man, let it be as if he has killed all mankind; and if a man saves the life of a man, let it be as if he has saved the lives of all mankind.'

Honestly.. How many Muslims do people know--that actually carry out terrorist attacks? Most are peaceful--and do not support acts of terrorism.

If you want more info on Islam, google an islamic source site.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 10 hours ago)

The prophet Muhammad isn't perfect--and I don't know too much about him, but he has promoted more peace, than against--I can tell you that. Thats one of the reasons why Muslims don't believe any human can be the "son" of God. And where did you get this news about:

'The very first Islamic terrorist act occurred in 624 CE when Mohammed plotted attacks on unarmed Arab civilian caravans to commit highway robbery. The rest, as they say, is history.'

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 9 hours ago)

" As for promoting peace, I already said one of them--as someone alse agreed"

And I already addressed that. Mohammed corrupted the original, beautiful meaning to give permission to brutally murder and torture people who opposed and contradicted him or refused to believe.

"And where did you get this news about"

By researching Islam, like you advocate here. (-:

Qwey
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 9 hours ago)

I haven't heard such of a thing.. If you claim such a thing--at least TELL ME where you got your source.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 8 hours ago)

I don't really care if Muhammad killed or not--the fact is, the Qur'an promotes peace, and only a few hundred out of a billion Muslims, actually think killing will get them to "heaven."

Another fact: Much MORE people have died under the hands of Christian crusaders/followers than all the other religious followers combined. The Crusades from the 11th century would be a good example.. Another example would be WWI and WW2. Was Hitler not a Christian--and yet he was responsible for the genocide of +6 million Jews?

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 8 hours ago)

Was Hitler not a Christian--and yet he was responsible for the genocide of +6 million Jews?

Hitler's motive behind that was his Aryan Superioty s**t and nothing to do with religion.

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 8 hours ago)

Hitler was a Natonalist and Socialist type politician, not a religious figure.

And he was racist and anti-semite.

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 8 hours ago)

I never said "Christianity" itself was responsible for millions of murders.. But many so called followers are.

yosouf13
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 8 hours ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_family

LOLOLOL, Mohammed was perverted pedophile as well:

"Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated in Medina.[13][11][14][15] Both Aisha and Sawda, his two wives, were given apartments adjoined to the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi mosque.[12] Muhammad wished to divorce Sawda, who offered to give her turn of Muhammad's conjugal visit to Aisha to prevent this, and the incident is referred to in the Qur'an 4:127.[16]"

Muhammad went to pay Zayd a visit, but instead found Zaynab, scantily clad, and fell in love with her.[28][33] Zaynab told Zayd about this, and Zayd offered to divorce her, but Muhammad told him to keep her.[11] The story laid much stress on Zaynab's perceived beauty and Muhammad's supposedly disturbed set of mind.

The marriage seemed incestuous to Muhammad's contemporaries because Muhammad was marrying the former wife of his adopted son, and the adopted sons were counted the same as a biological son.[11] According to Watt, this "conception of incest was bound up with old practices belonging to a lower, communalistic level of familial institutions where a child's paternity was not definitely known; and this lower level was in process being eliminated by Islam."[37] Muhammad's decision to marry Zaynab in was an attempt to break the hold of pre-Islamic ideas over men's conduct in society

One of the captives from the skirmish with the Banu Mustaliq was Juwayriya bint al-Harith, who was the daughter of the tribe's chieftain. When made captive, Juwayriya went to Muhammad requesting that she, as the daughter of the lord of the Mustaliq, be released. Meanwhile her father approached Muhammad with ransom to secure her release, but her captor refused to ransom her. Muhammad then offered to marry her, and she accepted.[43] When it became known that tribespersons of Mustaliq were kinsmen of the prophet of Islam through marriage, the Muslims released the nearly one hundred families they had captured.[44]

Safiyya bint Huyayy was a member of a Jewish tribe Banu Nadir, and was married to a man named Kinana ibn al-Rabi when Muhammad defeated her people in battle at Khaybar (According to a tradition, before Kinana, she had been the wife of Salaam ibn Mas̲h̲kam, who had divorced her). While married to Kinana, she had a dream about her marriage to Muhammad for which she was beaten by her husband for desiring another man. Safiyya's beauty was known in Medina before the battle. According to Ibn Ishaq, after Muhammad had taken them captive, he threw his mantle over Safiyya as a sign that he had chosen her for himself and redeemed her from a Muslim named Dihya against seven head of cattle.[47] Muhammad ordered Kinana tortured and eventually beheaded over a dispute about hidden treasure.[48][49] He then convinced Safiyya to convert to Islam and marry him.

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 7 hours ago)

All skeletons in Mohammed's closet revealed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

PS3isFUTURE
May 10, 2008
(6 days and 7 hours ago)

I never said "Christianity" itself was responsible for millions of murders.. But many so called followers are.

  • I lost somebody close on 9/11.

  • You didnt understand PS3ISFUTUE's idea there.

  • Terrorists JUSTIFY their actions in name of Islam, the so called religion of peace (religion of - peace - on the point of sword more like).

    Did Hitler ever justify his acts in the name religion? No Hitler wasnt that evil.

  • clpwn 666
    May 10, 2008
    (6 days and 7 hours ago)

    Correction: Did Hitler ever justify his acts in the name OF religion? No, Hitler wasnt that evil.

    clpwn 666
    May 10, 2008
    (6 days and 7 hours ago)

    'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_family

    LOLOLOL, Mohammed was perverted pedophile as well:'

    Thats nice.. But coming from a site like Wikipedia,^^^ ANYBODY could have written that--its Wikipedia for Christ sake!!! LOL

    '# I lost somebody close on 9/11.'

    I'm sorry to hear that, but even since Bush declared war on Iraq, besides thousands of soldiers dying for our country, even more INNOCENT Civilians died due to the war in the Middle East and several neighboring countries like Afghanistan.

    '# You didnt understand PS3ISFUTUE's idea there.'

    I do understand, apparently you guys don't understand what I'm trying to SAY.

    '# Terrorists JUSTIFY their actions in name of Islam, the so called religion of peace (religion of - peace - on the point of sword more like).'

    How can terrorists even call themselves MUSLIMS in the first place, when clearly the Qur'an states that killing someone--no matter who it is, is like killing the ENTIRE human population? They are f*cking brainwashed by bad extremist Mullahs who only seek revenge and power over their enemies. They don't REPRESENT the overwhelming rest of the Islamic population. How can YOU say something so ignorant?!?

    See thats what Muslims have to go through everyday.. The whole terrorist bull sheit.. Anyone that looks middle eastern or believes in Islam gets harrassed. Do you have ANY idea what happened to Muslims AFTER 911.\!?! Several civilians died here in the U.S. soil. So many owners of indian liquor stores got mistaken for "terrorists" and get killed because of it.. Even now--when the media, brings up terrorism, they don't say "terrorists," they say, "Islamic Terrorists." Not only are terrorists giving Muslims a bad reputation, so is the MEDIA!

    After a trip to Afghanistan from visiting his relatives, when my dad came back to America ,he was actually SEARCHED and interrogated because he looked MIDDLE EASTERN!

    Until you actually HAVE Muslim friends, EDUCATE yourself and take an Islamic Class, YOU will NEVER understand what Muslims had to go through after 9/11

    If you guys think ALL Muslims are terrorists and think Islam tells their followers to kill in the name of Allah--then you guys are just plain ignorant and stupid. I have been defending Muslims too long, and I don't feel like I have to prove myself anymore. Go drown in your ignorance for all I care.

    yosouf13
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 20 hours ago)

    "I haven't heard such of a thing.. If you claim such a thing--at least TELL ME where you got your source."

    "the fact is, the Qur'an promotes peace"

    ROFLMAOZEDONG! How come you feel perfectly justified in demanding to be told upon what I base my statements, yet do not feel held to the same standards when I ask for yours?

    The Qur'an mentions the Battle of Badr—the most important event in the founding of Islam as it was the point in which "the Muslims" turned from robbers and hostage-takers to murderers and concepts such as jihad and war booty were introduced into the 'Religion of Peace'—but the best source on it is the History of Al-Tabari, which chronicles the history of Islam by Tabari, the first Islamic historian. I'll paraphrase Tabari and cut in with relevant quotes from the Qur'an and Sunnah)

    It details how Mohammed and his followers, the Muslims, would rob caravans. One such raid—in the month of Ramadan no less!—led to the Battle of Badr, because the caravan coming from Syria got a tip-off and Mo & Co lost the element of surprise. The caravan was guarded by armed men when Mo attacked it, rather than being accompanied only by helpless merchants, as he was used to.

    • Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers (S.8:7)

    That surah from the Muslim holy book, by the way, is called An-Anfal, which means Spoils of War. The Muslims wanted the other side to be unarmed that it could be easily defeated and taken, but apparently, 'Allah' had plans to destroy all the Unbelievers (cut off their 'roots'—pull them up from the earth), so he willed that the other side find out so that it could lead to war between them. Tabari explains that this attack on the caravan provoked a state of war and was the beginning of fighting.

    Really, Tabari devoted a very lengthy portion of his text to detailing the battle, but in summary:

    • Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in it, for in fact, Allah's Apostle had gone out in search of the caravan of Quraish till Allah made them (i.e. the Muslims) and their enemy meet without any appointment. I witnessed the night of Al-'Aqaba (pledge) with Allah's Apostle when we pledged for Islam, and I would not exchange it for the Badr battle although the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people than it (i.e. Al-'Aqaba pledge). As for my news (in this battle of Tabuk), I had never been stronger or wealthier than I was when I remained behind the Prophet in that Ghazwa. (Bukhari V5B59N702)

    The violent Battle of Badr was more popular among The Muslims than their religious pledge to Allah. It was popular—and Islam grew in popularity—because following Mohammed in raiding caravans and stealing other people's goods made you rich. Proof positive you're following the true religion, right?

    • Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee, And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former, And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content ... Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee)? (S.93:3-8)

    • Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance unto thee beneath the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down peace of reassurance on them, and hath rewarded them with a near victory; And much booty that they will capture. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. (S.48:18-19)

    Tabari explained that after the Battle of Badr, Mo split up the things stolen from the merchants and made the proceeds of war halal.

    • Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us. (Bukhari V4B53N353)

    As I said, the rest is history.

    • Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." (Bukhari V4B52N220)

    Qwey
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 20 hours ago)

    'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_family

    LOLOLOL, Mohammed was perverted pedophile as well:'

    Thats nice.. But coming from a site like Wikipedia,^^^ ANY nutjob could have written that--its Wikipedia for Christ sake!!! LOL if your gonna search online, get it from a credential site--like from a scholars--not an Anti-Islamist.

    yosouf13
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 20 hours ago)

    Yosouf, do you actually think he didn't marry and have sex with a 9-year-old girl?

    You act as if you are the source on the truth about Islam, but you don't even know the basic facts.

    Qwey
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 20 hours ago)

    Qwey, get Kiwibaby to unban me in the Complaints Forum. Omgah it's been like 2 months. D:

    Johnny Pteran
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 20 hours ago)

    Thats nice.. But coming from a site like Wikipedia,^^^ ANY nutjob could have written that--its Wikipedia for Christ sake!!!

    Everyting is backed up through references cited at the end of the page. Dont bury your head in the sand, yousouf.

    While Wikipedia is not 100% accurate all the time and sometimes is abused by internet trolls, it is still very very reliable.

    LOL if your gonna search online, get it from a credential site--like from a scholars--not an Anti-Islamist.

    Wikipedia is good source of info because its DEMOCRATIC and not an Islamic Theocracy. If you think its wrong why dont you join Wikipedia and contribute? You think Wikipedia doesnt already have muslims to debate facts?

    FACT: Muhammed drilled a 9 year old girl when he was 50+ years old.

    After a trip to Afghanistan from visiting his relatives, when my dad came back to America ,he was actually SEARCHED and interrogated because he looked MIDDLE EASTERN!

    Lol so you are Arab. I thought you were black muslim.

    How can terrorists even call themselves MUSLIMS in the first place, when clearly the Qur'an states that killing someone--no matter who it is, is like killing the ENTIRE human population?

    They apparently think they are Muslim enough so that when they become a "martyr" Allah will "reward" them with 72 virgins to f**k!!!! What do FEMALE suicide bombers get in heaven Yosuof?

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_family

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad
  • PS3isFUTURE
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 16 hours ago)

    Qwey, if you read this - yosou13 ran away from this forum and made remarks about you at the end of this thread: http://www.gametalk.com/talk/ngvs/88674924.htm

    some stuff might have gotten tagged by the time you read this.

    PS3isFUTURE
    May 11, 2008
    (5 days and 13 hours ago)

    'Fewer hate crimes. http://tinyurl.com/2mdkj9 More acquiescence to Islamic beliefs out of fear of retaliation.'

    What EXACTLY are you trying to prove with this??? Ofcourse the hate crimes against Muslims have went down over the years--but it STILL happens. Fact is--people still remain ignorant about the religion aftrer 9/11.

    'Yosouf, do you actually think he didn't marry and have sex with a 9-year-old girl?

    You act as if you are the source on the truth about Islam, but you don't even know the basic facts.'

    I'm not denying it, but how does that make him a bad person? She was believed to be wise beyond her years, and it wasn't "rare" to see 6-9 year olds get married off during that time in his era where he lived.

    yosouf13
    May 13, 2008
    (over 3 days ago)


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