Goblins are Orcs. However the term is used to refer to Orcs that live in the mountains.

Savvy?

One more thing-

Gandalf said Goblin-men. I don't know why they put that in the script, but its more accurate to say that Saruman combined orc/goblins with men.

Perhaps the part about Goblins hating Orcs and vice versa comes from the uncomfortable relationship that the forces of Mordor shared with those of Saruman. Possible..?

once again I come to the rescue with my big book of LotR facts aka "J.R.R Tolkein's world from A to Z. Orcs and Goblins are the same. Orcs were called Goblins by the Hobbits. Orcs of one tribe hated Orcs of other tribes. Uruk-hai are also known as half-orcs.

Depends on your belief of Orc. There are so many kinds of orc that it is hard to truely compare an orc with anything unless the person you talk with is thinking the same kind of Orc.

This is of course thinking outside of the world of Tolkien. However some think of Orc to be no different that a human, save for their green skin and larger canine teeth. Mostly their ways of life seperates them, as Orc tend to be warlike and as such, their bigger physic and savage mentality are formed by this way of life.

As for Tolkien's form of Orc. In my opinion, Goblins are smaller, thinner, and seem more nocturnal due to their large eyes. Orc are bigger both in size and strength, and look to be of a darker skin tone. At one point they may have been the same creature, but when comparing both creatures side by side. They don't appear to be the same species. That's my take on it atleast, as for Krios's comment from the "World of Tolkien A-Z". That kind of makes up what Tolkien believes, so to him both creatures are the same.

Truthfully, I don't think their the same, but I didn't write the books so....only Tolkien knows.

Two other possible explanations, these are just a guess:

there is an entire page about Orcs/Goblins in thre book that I got my facts out of starting with who made them, why, even when, and it even talks about their actions during several wars. It also says that the Hobbits called Orcs, Goblins first and that is the end of the debate Orcs and Goblins are the same creture.

http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/raceorcs.html

http://www.gl phweb.com/ARDA/g/goblins.html

http://www.glyphweb.com/AR A/g/goblinmen.html

Glamhoth. Gorgûn. Yrch. Goblins. Orcs.

Argueably all different names for the same creatures, differing by geographical region(what some people call a groundhog, elsewhere others may call a woodchuck), language, period in time, etc. Orcs/goblins were crafted my Morgoth in the likeness of Elves, not Men.

The Goblin-men were literally the combination of orcs and Men. Saruman made a whole army of these creatures in hope of contesting with Sauron.

Perhaps the part about Goblins hating Orcs and vice versa comes from the uncomfortable relationship that the forces of Mordor shared with those of Saruman. Possible..?

Yes. And the fact that the Orcs of the Mysty Mountains were reluctant to give their alligence to either of the aforementioned. We see all of this in the passage where the party of orcs is taking Merry and Pipin to Isengard.

Uruk-hai are simply a division of the orc race known for their superior size(man sized), strength, and endurance.

Hopefully that helps.

at beginning of hobbit sais that the same.