Shagrat was killed by Sauron after bringing Frodo's mithril shirt and Elf cloak and Sam's sword to the Dark Tower after he took them from the unconcious frodo. This was all before the ring was destroyed.

Really?! I didn't know that!

Why did Sauron kill Shagrat? Just to demonstrate how evil he is by killing his own men for no reason?

Uh... I think you must be confused, Arzun. I don't beleive the fate of Shagrat is ever really made clear.

Hmmmm... maybe it's up to us to decide what we think his fate was. Here are the possible outcomes:

1. He was killed by Sauron after bringing the mithril coat to him, since he didn't bring the ring with him (Remember Sauron is looking for hobbits with the ring)

2. He was killed by Aragorn or someone in the battle at the Black Gate

3. He fell when Sauron and the Ring were destroyed and the foundations of Mordor collapsed

4. He committed suicide after the ring was destroyed

5. He ran off after the ring was destroyed and was doomed to die a slow, painful death

Which one seems the most likely? Since it never specified, there is no right or wrong answer

I am pretty sure that that is accurate. And that he was killed for bringing proof of Frodo and Sam's capture yet failing to bring him the ring.

http://www.tuckborough.net/orcs.html

Scroll down until you find Shagrat, read the last paragraph.

Hmm. That site does seem to suggest that Shagrat was killed by Sauron... but..

(The following are the sources given for that website's section on Shagrat.)

The Two Towers: "The Choices of Master Samwise," p. 344-52

The Return of the King: "The Black Gate Opens," p. 165-66; "The Tower of Cirith Ungol," p. 174-84, 187

Appendix B of The Lord of the Rings: "The Tale of Years," p. 375

The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion by Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull: "The Land of Shadow," p. 608

but... I went back and read the first three of the sources and not one of them mentions the death of Shagrat. The last words regarding Shagrat in the RotK are:

"Away below Shagrat went leaping down the stairs and out over the court and through the gate, bearing his precious burden. If Sam could have seen him and known the grief that his escape would bring, he might have quailed."

Shagrat is last mentioned in Appendix B under March 17, 3019 where it states that he brings the cloak, mail, and sword to Barad-dur. Nothing about his death.

The text in TT is irrelavent.

So unless it states in "The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion" that Shagrat was killed by Sauron, we have no reason to suspect such a thing. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of that book to check.

I also checked EoA and Wikipedia and neither of them mention Shagrat's death...

So for now... I'm still unconvinced.

(And by the way, if anyone also wishes to read the sources, I think you will find, as I did, that the page numbers are irrelavent as there have been countless reprintings of these books and they're all different page-wise.)

It could just be that they misinterpreted this [["Away below Shagrat went leaping down the stairs and out over the court and through the gate, bearing his precious burden. If Sam could have seen him and known the grief that his escape would bring, he might have quailed."]] as when he met with Sauron, he killed him.

BTW can you answer my post [Info]?

I'm 99% positive that that was referring to the grief caused to Frodo and Sam's friends when they saw their things and believed them to be dead.

Ooooh ya that sounds true.