First of all, I don't recall saying that portable classrooms were "super dangerous".

Second of all, I was just pointing out better uses for tax dollars than surgically neutering several million wild animals.

Well the answer is no it is not dangerous since they use them all over the place. They should spend money on helping the people who have no homes like

Homeless

Orphans

People who parents just died and got sent to a home

also people who need disipline like Juviniles

and the thing is this will never be since our nation USa is too stupid.

Also.Har har har I have a life outside of this pugly fourm....

Enybody is so right.

On another note....

Hey guys, come on over to my new home. It's called www.conservativeschatroom.homestead.com

You have to register first. Don't worry, it's free and people flame me all the time so don't take that legal actions part seriously unless you pull a KingRaw!/WinterBorn. You can find me in the CCR members area. You might like me there. I'm a liberal on that site. It wouldn't be fun to agree with everyone about how Bill Clinton is a sex offender and Al Gore is just as bad as Bin Laden.

Good for you; we don't care.

Pussy.

Calling someone else names when you chickened out and didn't show in NC is pretty sad, raw.

And, using your logic, since you lied about showing up this time I think you lied about showing up last time. Prove me wrong! Show proof or be thought a liar!

lmao

Calling someone else names when you chickened out and didn't show in NC is pretty sad, raw.

I did show up old man. But the thing is you and Tek showed up a day late or early and had him make some fake reciepts. You already have a rep of showing up late dude.

And, using your logic, since you lied about showing up this time I think you lied about showing up last time. Prove me wrong! Show proof or be thought a liar!

I can't prove you wrong because I'm not dumb enough to show proof to someone who threatens to sue me over what I say on here. And I'm calling him and you a pussy because you refuse to debate on a more challenging chat site. You can't take the pressure unless you got 4 or 5 buddies defending you against 1 guy.

Raw, I have never needed other people to help me defeat your weak arguments.

Besides, I think the main argument you used on several threads was "everyone thinks..." or something similar.

And just to help finish our hunting debate, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service is actively campaigning to INCREASE the number of hunters.

It seems the state and federal agencies cannot function without the money spent by hunters.

In the USA in 2001, the total fees collected for hunting licences, permits, tags and stamps was over $730 million dollars.

By the way, I have emailed 6 veterinarians and asked them about the feasibility of neutering a large wildlife population. I have gotten only two responses, and both say its not feasible. One just said it was a waste of time. The other actually went into detail about risks of infection and complications with the surgeries.

Weak arguments? Anyone with a brain knows I can debate with the best.

$730 million dollars is nothing compared to hundreds of billions of dollars. Why do you keep ignoring my plans that actually give us more than enough money? Did you forget? Or did you hope eveyone forgot our thread a few weeks back?

By the way, I have emailed 6 veterinarians and asked them about the feasibility of neutering a large wildlife population. I have gotten only two responses, and both say its not feasible. One just said it was a waste of time. The other actually went into detail about risks of infection and complications with the surgeries.

ooooooo, you e-mailed 6 veterinarians who probably share the same views as you do. Those problems can be fixed.

I read your "solution", but didn't take it seriously.

First of all, pulling out of Iraq would result in a total meltdown of their society. And before you say "its not our problem", it is our fault. It was a stable government before we invaded. And it is our responsibility to put them back on their feet before we leave.

Now, that you think that the money saved would be just lying around waiting to be spent shows your knowledge of fiscal and political systems.

There are all kinds of programs that go unfunded, because there isn't enough money.

But more importantly, what gives you the right to decide what to do with other people's money? If there is money left over, then we should give it back to the people who earned it in the first place.

Wild animals have always been hunted. Not just by man, but by predators of all types. It is the way of nature. And there are countless examples of mankind thinking he knew best and trying to "fix" something that wasn't broken, and ending up causing more and bigger problems.

There are some serious problems in the world. Your thinking that Bambi needs saving isn't one of them. Ever hear of the old adage "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?

You can debate with the best of them?

Raw, you have rarely had a debate that didn't result in your calling people names and bringing up totally irrelevant stuff.

Your debates have all too often ended up being based on "its in the bible" or "Are you questioning the bible". And neither of those is a sign of good debating skills.

"First of all, pulling out of Iraq would result in a total meltdown of their society. And before you say "its not our problem", it is our fault. It was a stable government before we invaded. And it is our responsibility to put them back on their feet before we leave."

So what? There's no end or no real progress in sight. These people have been fighting for hundreds of years. They ain't stopping anytime soon. Unless a meteor destroys the middle east then there will always be death and destruction. I say we worry about our own country before dealing with others.

"Now, that you think that the money saved would be just lying around waiting to be spent shows your knowledge of fiscal and political systems."

Hey stupid, this is a hypothetical situation. I would have a lot of control over what happens. We are talking in theory or are you already ignoring that?

"There are all kinds of programs that go unfunded, because there isn't enough money."

Gee, I wonder why? What are we spending 10 billion a month on?

"But more importantly, what gives you the right to decide what to do with other people's money? If there is money left over, then we should give it back to the people who earned it in the first place."

What gives the government the right to tax people on anything?

"Wild animals have always been hunted. Not just by man, but by predators of all types. It is the way of nature."

Who the heII cares? You know what else is perfectly natural? Having kids. I forgot WinterBorn, aren't we overpopulated as a species right now? But hey, it's the way of nature so we should all keep doing it.

"And there are countless examples of mankind thinking he knew best and trying to "fix" something that wasn't broken, and ending up causing more and bigger problems."

Give em.

"There are some serious problems in the world. Your thinking that Bambi needs saving isn't one of them."

And that makes you a speciesist. Meaning you are no better than a racist. Plain and simple. Don't reply or I'll cut your mic!

"Ever hear of the old adage "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?"

Wait. I thought overpopulation of animals was a problem that needs to be fixed?

Raw, you have rarely had a debate that didn't result in your calling people names and bringing up totally irrelevant stuff.

"Your debates have all too often ended up being based on "its in the bible" or "Are you questioning the bible". And neither of those is a sign of good debating skills."

First of all, it's called being a good villan. Second, the Bible is a good argument because those are real arguments made by real people. I'm doing what the majority of people/America/important people think.

If you are going to use "being a good villain" at least learn to spell it properly.

And that is another flaw in your idea that yo are a great debator. Whenever your ideas are shot down, you claim you were only doing it to be the "good villain". Thats a copout and you know it. If you are going to back a position, then at least be able to intelligently discuss it when other people call you on it.

You are doing what the majority of the people in america think?? What? You think the majority of people in america think women are property? You think the majority of people in america think pedophilia is acceptable or that God approves of it? Yeah, you have certainly got a handle on what the majority of people in america think.

And just because a handful of lunatics think the bible is a literal translation of the infallible word of god, does not make it a basis for a debate.

I am a speciesist? And that is as bad as a racist? Raw, I see humanity as the superior species on the planet. And judging by what I see around me I am correct. The rest of the animals on the planet are not on our level. I will protect every species, but I will also not worry about every individual animal in a species. This whole idea that we should make every animal's nice all fluff and sweetness shows a complete ignorance of ecology, biology, and of the natural environment.

As for our spending all that money in Iraq being the reason for the financial problems, you must think that there was an overabundance of money prior to the invasion. There was not. There were programs going unfunded before the war in Iraq.

I am not ignoring anything. But if you claim to have the answers, then you need to have some practical ones. And surgically neutering millions of wild animals is ridiculous.

You want examples of our screwing up nature by trying to fix things?

"If you are going to use "being a good villain" at least learn to spell it properly."

ooooooooo, good one 47 year old guy who spends his free time on a loser kids chat site. You got me.

"And that is another flaw in your idea that yo are a great debator. Whenever your ideas are shot down, you claim you were only doing it to be the "good villain". Thats a copout and you know it. If you are going to back a position, then at least be able to intelligently discuss it when other people call you on it."

I'm not running away from anything old man. You call me out on flaming people and I tell you why. Don't put words in my mouth douche.

"And just because a handful of lunatics think the bible is a literal translation of the infallible word of god, does not make it a basis for a debate."

Yes it does. This is what most Americans think.

"I am a speciesist? And that is as bad as a racist? Raw, I see humanity as the superior species on the planet. And judging by what I see around me I am correct. The rest of the animals on the planet are not on our level. I will protect every species, but I will also not worry about every individual animal in a species. This whole idea that we should make every animal's nice all fluff and sweetness shows a complete ignorance of ecology, biology, and of the natural environment."

No it doesn't speciesist. The right to life is a basic right. To think otherwise makes you a speciesist. No way around that Archie.

"As for our spending all that money in Iraq being the reason for the financial problems, you must think that there was an overabundance of money prior to the invasion. There was not. There were programs going unfunded before the war in Iraq."

Yes but my plan doesn't cost 10 billion a month. Hundreds of millions a year for the course of about 5 years. And if we were in the negative, then our conservative leaders woudln't be approving of the spending on the war.

"I am not ignoring anything. But if you claim to have the answers, then you need to have some practical ones. And surgically neutering millions of wild animals is ridiculous."

It's more practical and humane than shooting them dead.

More practical? LMAO! You call asking for mobile surgical units for wild animals, when 20% of americans have no health insurance, practical?

Its nonsense.

Every animal has a basic right to live?

Ok, so anyone who kills a cockroach, flea, tick, or rat is a speciesist?

What about antibiotics? They kill microscopic organisms. Are doctors speciesists?

And the fact that I am on a particular site has nothing o do with your spelling.

More practical? LMAO! You call asking for mobile surgical units for wild animals, when 20% of americans have no health insurance, practical?

Oh bitch, bitch, bitch! I came up with a practical way and all you can do is bitch about it.

And that same logic can be applied the other way Hick. We can kill bugs and deer and get away with it. So why not humans?

Practical? What is practical about hiring people to shoot deer with tranquilizers, hiring veterinarians to do surgery, and paying for mobile surgical units, just to prevent hunting?

You might want to recheck the definition of practical.

And to cost the wild life funds and environmental agencies roughly $750 million above and beyond the costs of your program pretty much shoots down the whole idea that your plan is practical.

Our laws are for humans. Deny it, complain about it, whine about it, make lunatic comparisons about it. It doesn't change a thing. Our laws are for humans. Animals do not have the same rights.

"We can kill bugs and deer and get away with it. So why not humans?"

So are you saying we should not kill anything living creature? That is absolutely ridiculous. And no amount of trolling makes it make any more sense.

Practical? What is practical about hiring people to shoot deer with tranquilizers, hiring veterinarians to do surgery, and paying for mobile surgical units, just to prevent hunting?

I think preventing the murdering of millions of animals is the right term. Life overcomes everything else.

All that crap you said would be covered under Ron and my plans.

Our laws are for humans. Deny it, complain about it, whine about it, make lunatic comparisons about it. It doesn't change a thing. Our laws are for humans. Animals do not have the same rights.

Good argument. If it's made into law that animals have the same right to life as humans then your gay argument is blown out the window...

So are you saying we should not kill anything living creature? That is absolutely ridiculous.

I'll tell you what's ridiculous. People in the future complaining about aliens from space that invaded Earth and are now hunting and eating humans. Stupid humans!!! The aliens are superior physically and mentally. Science has proven that. It is the way of life. They can do what they want because they can. That little girl being shot in the head with a laser gun had no right to be upset about that.

And what's up with us not being able to shoot down mentally challenged people. We are superior to them. And what about Blacks and Mexicans. If we don't start killing them, then we will have a serious overpopulation crisis on our hands.

I'm sorry old man, what were you getting at?

My "gay argument"? If you want to call an argument gay, I would think it would be the namby-pamby "we have to save the woodland creatures from the big mean hunter" garbage that you are spouting. This "all creatures deserve to live" stuff is about as gay as it gets. Buck up and be a man.

And your "aliens eating humans" argument can be taken as seriously as your "how do we prepare for a zombie invasion" arguments. Neither is based in reality.

This "all creatures deserve to live" stuff is about as gay as it gets. Buck up and be a man.

Now I have it on record. Stonemage thinks the right to life for animals is gay. I wonder what gay excuse he'll come up with when I bring it up to other people?

And your "aliens eating humans" argument can be taken as seriously as your "how do we prepare for a zombie invasion" arguments. Neither is based in reality.

Yet another damaging argument! An alien invasion is just as likely as a zombie attack or vampires. As we all know, there is NO other life in the trillions and trillions of galaxies in our universe. Keep em comming old man. Your reputation outside of your stupid little clique is ruined.

Did I say that there was no life outside this galaxy?

I believe there IS life outside this galaxy. But I do not believe it will be hostile. And if it IS hostile, the chance that a completely different life form could use us as food is almost a biological impossibility.

And yes, I called your "all animals have the right to live" argument gay. I doubt anyone else will care, but when you bring it up to other people will it accurately reflect what I said? Or will you missquote it, as you are so fond of doing? (see the title of this thread)

I believe there IS life outside this galaxy. But I do not believe it will be hostile.

Out of all the trillions of galaxies, there isn't one superior lifeform that wouldn't be hostile towards us?

And if it IS hostile, the chance that a completely different life form could use us as food is almost a biological impossibility.

Out of all the trillions of galaxies, there isn't one form of hostile lifeforms that would use us as food?

And yes, I called your "all animals have the right to live" argument gay. I doubt anyone else will care

Anyone with a heart would care...

but when you bring it up to other people will it accurately reflect what I said? Or will you missquote it, as you are so fond of doing? (see the title of this thread)

Let's see...

And yes, I called your "all animals have the right to live" argument gay.

So if I tell people that WinterBorn says that the right to life for animals is gay, I'll misquote you?

Considering that you are advocating "right to life" for cockroaches, fleas, ticks and rats, I am wondering if you will missquote me.

Raw, if you had paid attention in biology, you would have seen why a species from another planet would be unable to use our flesh as food. The chances of any development of life on another planet would mirror ours so completely is astronomically small (I'd call it nonexistant)

But, go ahead and quote me. You seem concerned about what people here think. I guess this would be an attempt at revenge for making you look like a coward concerning the NC meeting and your no-show.

Raw, if you had paid attention in biology, you would have seen why a species from another planet would be unable to use our flesh as food. The chances of any development of life on another planet would mirror ours so completely is astronomically small (I'd call it nonexistant)

Right and science from the year 2007 proves that. No chance at all cuz we all know everything...

But, go ahead and quote me. You seem concerned about what people here think. I guess this would be an attempt at revenge for making you look like a coward concerning the NC meeting and your no-show.

Not revenge. If it were revenge, then I would have to be the one who was pwned. Not true. I'm just having my fun until you go away from GT forever!!!

You were the one who was pwnd. Even Qwey, your staunchest supporter, made a joke about your claims. She said it was just as likely that Mossad agents took over the restaurant. Now THAT was funny.

And raw, if I were to leave GT it certainly wouldn't be because of you. If I didn't want to see you or read the trolling you do, I could simply hang out in the multitude of forums which have banned you.

There are plenty of those.

You were the one who was pwnd. Even Qwey, your staunchest supporter, made a joke about your claims. She said it was just as likely that Mossad agents took over the restaurant. Now THAT was funny.

Nope, I won and you lost.

And raw, if I were to leave GT it certainly wouldn't be because of you. If I didn't want to see you or read the trolling you do, I could simply hang out in the multitude of forums which have banned you.

There are plenty of those.

I don't think so. Sooner or later you will get sick of me and leave forever.

You won? lmao

There is no one who agrees with you. Every comment on these forums has been against you.

You have not won a single thing. You have only continued to make an absolute fool of yourself. This has become a joke amoung many of the regs. They are laughing about your claims.

The best thing you could have done was claim you had car trouble or couldn't find the place. Because this lie has made you look even more foolish than you did before (and that in itself is astounding)

The reason no one states the facts that I win all the time is because they can't stand it. Their jealous of me. No one in the right mind would help the guy that kicks their asses in every debate?

Keep talking old man. You just keep looking more and more foolish. Let's just assume you are in the right. You are arguing with someone who "lied about his age" and is probably some kid on a kids chat site. You showed up for two real life fights because some kid flamed you! You're 47 years old! And you spend most of your free time arguing with some troll on the internet? Does that really make you a winner?.........

But no, I win the war by far. I showed up and you didn't.

Lots of people will jump on the bandwagon if you keep winning as you say you have. But people won't help out a guy who gets shredded in debates.

I started out saying I would meet you so that you would leave Bristol alone. At the time it worked perfectly well.

Of course, back then you were claiming to be 28.

I'm making a fool of myself? lmao

No, you are sadly mistaken. The only reason people think I am a fool is because I continue to debate you. I can live with that.

People won't jump on your bandwagon if they hate you. Simple stuff here dude.

Prove I said I was 28.

Prove prove prove. Thats all you say. And yet you offer no proof of anything.

Millions of people are with me on this particular bandwagon.

And for someone who tries to alienate everyone, you sure talk a lot about people disliking me.

Prove prove prove. Thats all you say. And yet you offer no proof of anything.

I've explained why I won't prove to two people that want to sue me, that I was there. And pics can be on a false date. That hardly counts as hard evidence. And Finding a reply by me where I say that I'm 28 shouldn't be too hard to find. Don't put words in my mouth unless you can back it up.

Millions of people are with me on this particular bandwagon.

Millions? There's like 10 people that get involved with our feuds!

And for someone who tries to alienate everyone, you sure talk a lot about people disliking me.

You are a creepy old man. Nuff said....