Well, you keep telling me how bad of a debater I am so what do you want to debate about?

Abortion? Gay marriage? Sex ed? Stem cells? Illegal immigration? Iraq? Iran? Bush? Keith Olberman? Sean Hannity?

I am not challenging you a debate. I am giving you the opportunity to blast away with all the things you have.

Go with all of them. From the kkk fight, the arnold thing, to catfish cabin and north carolina. Go with "old man", that I am also Tek or whatever.

I won't argue or disagree, and might even agree.

They've all been said. Now if this were a popular forum then I would talk about it, but Geemel and Tek are the only other ones on here.

Oh, so you have to have an audience? Why?

You have been taking quotes from one forum to another since you got here.

And this place is just as popular as it was when you were demanding to see my face, accusing me of being a pedophile, saying I lied about the fight with the two klaners, called me a liar and a coward about the NC meeting.

What has changed raw? Is it not fun if there is no fight?

I'll be a new audience!!!

Well Snowchick, go look in the Jerry Falwell poll on this page. That pretty much sums things up!

Whats the matter, raw? Can't attack me anymore?

Sure, send them looking somewhere else.

That was a pathetic attempt of trolling dude...

So WinterBorn, do you think that Conservative chat site I was most recently on is fair?

I'm disappointed, raw. I give you a perfect opportunity to say all the things you want about me, point out all the worst (real or otherwise).

And you completely avoid the topic.

I've already discussed the fact that you're a 47 year old guy on a teen chatsite that drives out of the way to meet fellow members.

I wanted to debate with you seeing is how you think I'm so bad at it, but you avoid that. You also avoid my question about that neo-con chat site. No answer yet....

So why are you avoiding me?

Yep, I am a 47 year old guy discussing politics, spirituality, and a myriad of topics.

Yep, I drove way out of my way twice, just to meet folks from this forum.

Had a great time on the second trip.

Great work MizzMew or Masse. Tagging my newest thread here just shows how much you fear me. What other reason is there. This forum has 4 people in it!

I wonder why WinterBorn is avoiding my question?

I am nt avoiding your question, I just don't have an opinion on the matter. I didn't look at what the site claimed to be. If someone creates their own site and pays for the bandwidth, they can pretty much decide who gets to go there.

No opinion? I told you what happened and I gave you a link!

Thas right. I have no opinion. I don't care about the site, or about whether it is fair or not.

Its not something that interests me at all.

Nobody fears you Rawibs. Some of us just fear FOR you. You display some seriously worrisome behaviors, and some of us worry you may hurt yourself.....maybe even others.

I tried to meet you, man. I tried to let you see the huamn face behind the screenname. I wanted to cease all this by making a new friend. I'm glad as hell that I got to meet Winterborn, but I'm sad I didn't meet you.

Why were you afraid of meeting me/us?

I was there. You were not. Move on

Come to think of it, you never did tell us what the front of the building looked like. There is only one entrance, and its a simple question.

You missed the large sign pointing to the left as you walked up to the door, but surely you saw the building. And being in the construction trade, I figure you would notice what the front was made of, wouldn't you?

Shoot, he/she didn't even know about the LARGE Eckerds which is right. next. door.

3 people here know for sure that he/she wasn't there.

You wanna know for sure that I was there? DO YOU?

You know what? I no longer have an opinion about that.

Rawibs, I can look up the definition of 'flailing' without you having to demonstrate its meaning here.

Hey, WinterBorn doesn't have an opinion about that conservative chat site that makes me look good, so I no longer have an opinion about Maggies. Fair is fair.

You asked if I thought a website was fair. I have no opinion on that matter.

Whether or not you can describe a building is not an opinion. If you want to refuse to answer, according to your logic, that simply proves your guilt.

Falling back on definitions and technicallities only proves how much of a pussy you are. I no longer have any interest about Maggies just like you have no opinion about a website I told you about and kept asking you about. Do I have an opinion anymore about Maggies and our fight in which you showed up on a different date? Not anymore. I no longer care.

Are you a child molester? Yes or no

You won't answer my question or you CAN'T answer my question? Funny how quickly you "tire" of this topic, but remained rabid about others for much longer.

I have answered your question several times now, raw. No, I am absolutely not a child molester or a pedophile.

It's all tatic Winter.

You see, when Raw doesn't know, can't awnswer, or doesn't want to answer, he will alwyas look for a way to get around it.

When he's feeling weak, he will franticly grab at anything. In this case, the whole "Child molester" thing. From his short little perspective, this seems like a ledge for him to climb on. Good for us, it only makes him look smaller.

For Tek; since the wuss doesn't have much on him besides that picture, his only attack on him is "Fatso". Rather pathetic, yes?

To sum it up, he's not answering your question because he can't.

Keep asking him about it; don't let him lead you into a whole other discussion.

'Tis the tatic of the weak, and he has mastered it. Pussy.

Are you even reading these threads Geemel? Are you? If you are then you are a grade a hypocrite! WinterBorn ALWAYS avoids simple questions that I ask him. He avoided the following.

Do you think that conservative chat site is fair?

Are you a child molester? (For about 4 months he avoided that question)

Can you have your friends on here prove me wrong about you?

Are you the same person as Tek Jansen?

Are you(WinterBorn) the same person as Stonemage?

Show a pic of your whole face? (He avoided that for months)

Not to mention he always dodges the point and relies on lame technicallities. When I corner him in a debate, he tries to change the subject to something else. He just tried to put the blame on me about that guy who impersonated him and acted like a child molester. I said it wasn't me but oh no! It HAD to be Raw. But you know what? I'm still here! If that was me, don't you think I'd be banned?

Raw, I said repeatedly that I was NOT a child molester. I did not avoid that question until you asked it over and over and over and over and over. Its funny that when I answered it you ignored my answers. But when I didn't answer, you claimed that proved my guilt.

I posted my pic from Catfish Country, my standard pic, and a link to MySpace. Funny that PJH and Tek both joined my friends list. So it isn't as though it didn't exist.

And the only person who kept accusing me of being a pedophile is you.

I did not avoid that question until you asked it over and over and over and over and over.

Um if I had to ask it over and over again, wouldn't that mean that you didn't answer me?

But when I didn't answer, you claimed that proved my guilt.

Ok, you admit you didn't answer me when I asked it so you DID avoid it.

And the only person who kept accusing me of being a pedophile is you.

Mercenary, Homicide, Ampy, Peekaboo, Wawl etc...

But wait! Those must all be me!!!

And why are you ALWAYS ON HERE WHEN I AM? Jesus Christ! Can't I ever get some peace? I have other threads to debate in! Quit stalking me.

I am stalking you now? But you claim I am a pedophile. How old are you again?

21. And you do realize that by stalking me, it makes you look like a pedophile don't you? How old are you because a 1st grader would know that.

I am stalking you? Is this your newest nonsense?

I was posting here before you found GameTalk. You post threads with my name in the title or call me by name in the posts, but I and stalking YOU? Thats funny, raw.

If you call someone and they answer, its not stalking.

Winterborn, keep asking him about the building. keep inquiring about his attendance to the last designated meeting.

Notice, he has lead you off of that question by using the tatic of covering it with questions that have already been answered, seeking to create an argument on your responses, driving you away from the original question to him.

Geemel, he is never going to answer that question. I know this. He is also never going to admit he wasn't there.

It isn't in his nature.

What really beats is why someone who deems himself so very smart can't simply look up a pic of Maggie's Galley and describe its front.

Something like this:

http://dininginthesmokies.com/ _waynesv/wdmgobar.jpg (minus a space)

KingRaw, don't start out on that pedophile matter again.

I am stalking you? Is this your newest nonsense?

I was posting here before you found GameTalk. You post threads with my name in the title or call me by name in the posts, but I and stalking YOU? Thats funny, raw.

If you call someone and they answer, its not stalking.

Showing up 5 minutes after I do all the time makes you look like a stalker.

Winterborn, keep asking him about the building. keep inquiring about his attendance to the last designated meeting.

Notice, he has lead you off of that question by using the tatic of covering it with questions that have already been answered, seeking to create an argument on your responses, driving you away from the original question to him.

Notice how Geemel fails to bring up the fact that I already answered Winterborn's question. I don't remember. And notice how he fails to tell you that WinterBorn has refused to answer my simple questions and tries to change the subject. You got us there man! Good debate dude!

It isn't in his nature.

Just like it isn't in your nature to admit when I'm right.

KingRaw, don't start out on that pedophile matter again.

Let me guess, you'll sue me!!!

And no Masse, I'm not going to take the easy way out. I actually don't remember what Maggies looks like. I could lie but I choose not to. Why? Because I'm not like that.

I am not even going to dignify the stalking with any more comments.

This has become tiresome. You have lied repeatedly throughout your time here.

You demand proof, you demand pictures, and you question everything anyone says. But you provide no proof, never posted a pic, and expect your word to carry weight (in spite of the fact you have lied numerous times).

This s a joke and the punchline ceases to be funny.

I'll let someone else do this now. I'll post if there is a new topic that interests me.

"I could lie but I choose not to. Why? Because I'm not like that."

AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Awww, what's wrong old man? Can't take it anymore? Whenever I say something that could be the truth, you run away? Figures. You do that on almost every debate we have.

And Tek, all you can do is lie and laugh? Way to debate.

Or it could be that I have just lost patience with things "that could be the truth".

But its funny that you accuse me of stalking when I post, and of being a coward when I say I am leaving.

LOL

I didn't say you couldn't respond to me. I said it was creepy how you always seem to show up right after I do.

I think you are delusional.

Good comeback...

Raw! is by far better than WinterBorn.

"And Tek, all you can do is lie and laugh? Way to debate."---Rawibs

You want me to keep making you look bad Rawibs(worse than you arleady do)?

"I could lie but I choose not to. Why? Because I'm not like that."--Rawibs

But in another thread:

"You said you were in the KKK. That was a lie."---Winterborn

"Are you telling me that you were stupid enough to fall for that?"---Rawibs

Just stop it man. You keep digging yourself deeper. Why do you hate yourself so much?

"And Tek, all you can do is lie and laugh? Way to debate."---Rawibs

That is all you do Tek. You're the one that sucks at debates.

You want me to keep making you look bad Rawibs(worse than you arleady do)?

You make me look bad? Give an example.

As for the "lying" thing you presented Tek....

Did anyone think I was a kkk member? Or a sex addict that wanted Lord Keller? You really got me there Tek. I lied about having the hots for William and being a kkk guy. That MUST mean that I'd lie about something that's perfectly possible. God you are sooooo good.

Now that's funny...oh man...

You just claimed that proof that you have lied before in no way indicates that you would lie about something else???

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

You and I both know you never showed up at Maggies. We know this. Winterborn does too. His tall ass was there at 3:30 waiting on me to get there after work.

Do you lie this much in real life?

Talking to you is becoming more and more like poking a dead bird with a stick: effing sad.

You just claimed that proof that you have lied before in no way indicates that you would lie about something else???

Yeah, admitting that I'm not a KKK member means that I must be lying about things that actually could happen. Good one jacka

You and I both know that you and WinterBorn showed up on a different date in order to avoid me. There's no real date on the photo. Any judge would know that ain't any proof at all. And anyone can make a fake reciept or have his buddy at the cash register make one out. After seeing the pic of you Tek, it's very likey that that's what happened. And here's a tip. If you want real proof, then make a youtube video that proves the time and date.

Do you lie this much in real life?

Talking to you is becoming more and more like poking a dead bird with a stick: effing sad.

Rawibs, if you think I'm able to somehow magically create a believable fake receipt AND time stamp a photo, do you actually think I believe you'll take a video seriously? If a person can fake the other two, then I would think they could fake a video.

You will always pretend you don't believe anything I say because you will never show up. Your fragile ego can't deal with complete strangers thinking the truth: you're all talk, you're scared of others (remember how you kept talking about how HUGE Winterborn is when you saw his catfish photo?), and you'll never provide ANY proof at all that you were ANYWHERE near NC. You haven't even tried to scan a CASH gas receipt from your "travels".

I have a degree in theatre, not computer science. I work at a large hotel, not AOL. I couldn't do anything when Uiif uiifed this place. So because I'm fat and have a Mooninite shirt I'M A COMPUTER GENIUS?????!?!?!

You're full of sh!t and you know it.

Stop doing this to yourself. It'll never help you in life. I wanted to meet you and 'bury the hatchet', but you're too terrified of life to even do that. I shared my experience of my Dad's death with you, and you go and impersonate someone and bring up your own dead mother. How freaking sad. If she is indeed passed on, I'd imagine she's disappointed in your lies.

You know what Raw-ibs? I apologize for my tone. The way you ..."fib"...and treat people just ticks me off sometimes.

I know I should be more understanding toward you and your situation.

Actually, if you maintain the picture on the original memory card, it is admissable in court and in OSHA investigations.

Before you make snide remarks about OSHA, their rules about what is admissable are often stricter than criminal courts.

Rawibs, if you think I'm able to somehow magically create a believable fake receipt AND time stamp a photo, do you actually think I believe you'll take a video seriously? If a person can fake the other two, then I would think they could fake a video.

Not if you have it uninterupted, turned on a TV and proved it was the correct date and proved it wasn't recorded by changing channels and did that to other TV's that weren't yours, went to a newspaper stall and proved the date, asked people what date and time it was and waited for me to no-show without any interuptions. Yes, that would be 100% proof.

You will always pretend you don't believe anything I say because you will never show up. Your fragile ego can't deal with complete strangers thinking the truth: you're all talk, you're scared of others (remember how you kept talking about how HUGE Winterborn is when you saw his catfish photo?), and you'll never provide ANY proof at all that you were ANYWHERE near NC. You haven't even tried to scan a CASH gas receipt from your "travels".

Just because I tell the truth and admit that Winterborn is twice my size doesn't mean I didn't show up. And why don't I provide proof? Because you people hint about sueing me over what I say here.

I have a degree in theatre, not computer science. I work at a large hotel, not AOL. I couldn't do anything when Uiif uiifed this place. So because I'm fat and have a Mooninite shirt I'M A COMPUTER GENIUS?????!?!?!

Gee, you said all those things but they must be the truth. Who would lie on a loser chat site? And the first thing people think of when they see that pic of you is "Internet geek" If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck then most likely it's a duck!

You're full of sh!t and you know it.

Good one man....

And I did not impersonate WinterBorn. So because Masse the honest and non-corrupt one says otherwise means it's true? He said he had proof and would be willing to show it. So when I asked him, he said nope. God, he's honest!

As I recall, Masse did not offer to show YOU proof. He said he would show the proof to other mods.

"I will be only to glad to provide all the relevant details and all the IP matches to the mods who will take care of it."

"Yes, that would be 100% proof."

You're serious, aren't you? What a sad, fearful existence. We took 2 photos and scanned a receipt. That's all the effort you get. If it weren't for the fact that Winterborn and I had a good time, I would've said that my having driven 30 or so miles to meet you had been more effort than you seem worth.

You're the one who has to live with the lie. You, Winterborn, and I all know you weren't there when you were supposed to be.

That's good enough for me.

As I recall, Masse did not offer to show YOU proof. He said he would show the proof to other mods.

And I asked him to do that and he didn't.

You're serious, aren't you? What a sad, fearful existence. We took 2 photos and scanned a receipt. That's all the effort you get. If it weren't for the fact that Winterborn and I had a good time, I would've said that my having driven 30 or so miles to meet you had been more effort than you seem worth.

You're the one who has to live with the lie. You, Winterborn, and I all know you weren't there when you were supposed to be.

That's good enough for me.

Gee golly, that'd hold up in court! Anyone with an open mind would say that isn't nearly enough proof.

And the same person would say that we've provided far more proof than you have.

...Wait. What's more than nothing? Anyone?

If proof you mean things that can be misleading and isn't really proof, then yes you provided more "proof".

...Wait. What's more than nothing? Anyone?

Anyone in the right mind would say that isn't enough to prove anything.

You're right! You're no-proof isn't enough to prove anything.

But our non-doctored photos/scans are.

Try disproving those first, k?

I already did you idiot.

Raw, you just SAYING that they COULD be fake is not disproving anything.

You have TRIED to get people to believe you that we faked the pic and receipt. But I don't know of anyone who does believe you.

Even Qwey, your biggest supporter, made fun of your conspiracy theory.

Raw, you just SAYING that they COULD be fake is not disproving anything.

It proves it isn't hard evidence and therefore isn't proof.

It is certainly evidence. And you have no disproved anything.

You have made a lot of noise, but you haven't disproved anything.

Nor has Rawibs proved anything. Not ONCE since the 3 times Rawibs made a date to meet someone has he/she shown up OR shown proof of showing up.

Y'know what?

I'm done. I've forgotten a promise again, and I need to remember it.

Rawibs, I really tried to be nice to you. I tried to let you make a friend. I tried to help your apparently unhappy existence. Unless you lie to yourself too, you know that what I've said and what I'm saying is true.

I believe in Karma but still:

May life treat you better than you treat others.

It is certainly evidence. And you have no disproved anything.

It's evidence that could be crap. No one in the right mind would rely on that. And I disproved your KKK and Catfish story.

Nor has Rawibs proved anything. Not ONCE since the 3 times Rawibs made a date to meet someone has he/she shown up OR shown proof of showing up.

Since you love going around in cirles Tek, I'll just repeat it for the 20th time. I don't show proof because people might be wimps and try to press charges against me. Looks like I was right.

So you're leaving these threads? What's wrong? Can't take it?

Raw, perhaps you should get a dictionary out and read the definition of "disprove". What you did was argue, make accusations, and offer alternatives on what COULD have happened.

I suppose it could be said that you may have raised a reasonable doubt. But you did not disprove anything.

And for someone who has never been in a fight, you certainly put a lot of weight on what you THINK two rednecks would do.

No raw, you have disproven absolutely nothing.

And you have proven nothing. If I find a flaw in your story like "I scared off one KKK guy who had a weapon and I managed to beat up the other KKK guy who also had a weapon." That's just bs man!

No, I have not proven anything about my KKK experience. But then, I never claimed I proved anything.

I related a personal experience with a cowardly organization. Their mainly known for attacking isolated minorities with large groups of men hiding their faces. The two in eutaw fit the mold of cowards.

I told a story of something that happened to me. I never claimed to be able to prove it. I just explained that you have not DISPROVED anything. You have just continued the same old tired hostility. You mistake bravado for courage. Someday you will see the difference.

Hey did I ever tell you when I killed Osama Bin Laden? Yeah, I was on vacation and I found him in a cave having sex with a man(Not that there's anything wrong with that)

So I offered him to turn himself in. He pulled out a knife and the other guy had a gatling gun. I stood my ground and the other guy ran away. Bin Laden came at me and I broke his neck.

I have just told a story of something that happened to me. I'm not claiming to be able to prove it. I'm just saying you have not DISPROVED anything and will not...

You are correct, I would not be able to disprove what you said unless I produced Osama alive.

Now you are catching on to the difference between not believing and disproving.

Also, I'm a time traveler.

What you are NOT is amusing.

Prove it.

Did you ever notice that troll always come out on Saturday nights, talk about a busy social life.

It's a price to pay for annoying people on the internet.

So you mean to tell me that you have nothin' better to do then argue in a forum called Peace?

I could get wasted and rape some chick at a party but meh.

I am spending an evening, like I many saturday evenings, at home with my family.

Of course, if I were a single, tough, 21 (or 28) year old construction worker, I might have found something more entertaining to do.

Do you like chicken tonight?

Rowwwr

Do you really want to go down that road again 47 year old man on teen dominated chat site that said I could be a little girl and tried to meet me twice in real life?

Do you really want to bring up how lame you are for being here at your age and spending all this time feuding with a troll instead of spending time with your family?

Raw, is english a second language for you?

I said what I could not PROVE. The point of my statement was my ability to PROVE something. I said nothing about what you actually are. You are trying to make a connection that does not exist.

Yes, I spend a good bit of time on the internet. But during the week I am in a hotel. My main choices of entertainment are tv or internet. I think the internet is the better choice. At any gien time i will have 4 or 5 windows open. I am talking with my wife, my kids, friends, and surfing interesting sites. This is in addition to time spent on GameTalk.

You, on the other hand, are a 21 year old, single, guy. The fact that you are not out socializing is stranger than my time spent discussing politics, spirituality and other serious topics.

You used to be entertaining. But are becoming less and less so now.

I said what I could not PROVE. The point of my statement was my ability to PROVE something. I said nothing about what you actually are. You are trying to make a connection that does not exist.

But by saying that, you are saying that for all you know, I could be a little girl.

You, on the other hand, are a 21 year old, single, guy. The fact that you are not out socializing is stranger than my time spent discussing politics, spirituality and other serious topics.

So because I'm not out all the time, wasting my money on gas and talking to people I could care less for, makes me strange? I'm not kidding myself. Most people annoy me. Almost Everyone's a phoney these days. I have a few friends, and I socialize at work.

You used to be entertaining. But are becoming less and less so now.

If I recall, you never said I was entertaining before. When was I?

I have said many times that you are amusing, Raw.

Funny you forget any conversation that you cannot misquote and turn into some slight.

No raw, I did not say you could be anything. I said I cannot prove you are not something.

I cannot prove the moon is made of green cheese, I cannot prove that Tek is not an alien with a disguise on. Do you think I believe that Tek is an alien of that the moon is made of green cheese?

But then, those wouldn't suit your purpose.

And I wonder, is it that most people annoy you? Or is your online persona your real personality? In which case, I would say it was you who annoy people.

As I've said five million times, he tries to look all big and tough online because he's probably a total loser in real life.

Note, I said 'Probaly', I can't prove he is, but I have a damn good hunch about it.

No raw, I did not say you could be anything. I said I cannot prove you are not something.

I cannot prove the moon is made of green cheese, I cannot prove that Tek is not an alien with a disguise on. Do you think I believe that Tek is an alien of that the moon is made of green cheese?

Those things could be true. You can't prove they aren't.

Hey Geemel! Whatcha doin? Taking cheapshots at me? Too bad you're a wuss who won't debate with me.