I meant to title this "Liberals that don't believe in any kind of war?"

Peace through invading and killing those we disagree with...

No, peace by protecting ourselves from countries that our a threat to us.

On the other hand we have the idiots, who believe everything they hear in the news.

And Iraq was a threat how?

I am not just talking about Iraq. I am talking about all war, not Iraq in particular.

Iraq was a threat because we believed they had weapons of mass destruction. Even the democrats voted to go to war with Iraq in the beginning.

How could you limit it to just liberals? "Peace" is more defined by an individual's perception.. Not by political parities

I was addressing this to the liberals that want to "end war" and have "world peace".

Iraq was a threat because we believed they had weapons of mass destruction. Even the democrats voted to go to war with Iraq in the beginning.

Those Dems are pussies. They were too afraid to question a war on the people who caused 9-11. Why? Because there was an election that year. Putting that aside, the Bush administration lied about all of that. That's the point. The people who made the case for war mislead the public because they thought taking over Iraq would make us rich with oil. They were not protecting us from threats. Iraq was not a threat. The last real treat was from Hitler.

How can you be so sure of that? Just because we were wrong about the weapons doesn't at all mean that our government lied to us! That's obsurd.

I said the Bush Administration lied to us.

What's different about a Liberal and a Conservative? My answer is this; A Liberal sits on the couch watching the news, complaining about "war crime" saying, "Peace out man!" Where on the other hand, we have the Conservative, who actually does what they can to achieve as much peace as possible. By this, I mean war

um.. no. I know lots of conservatives that are still at home... I think that if you were really all about doing something then there would be a lot higher join-up rate.. I mean sure people talk a big talk but I don't see how the liberal who at least says and does the same thing as a whole lot less of a fraud then the conservative that says that the war is needed but I don't see all of them doing all they can for the war effort, putting a magnet on the back of your car isn't really doing a whole hell of a lot!!

Yah but not every fat lazy conservative can join the army Knuk7. They do have a fitness test...though I am curious why they dont just join the marines then. Harder fitness test but not pass or fail, just front or back infantry.

Oh man thats terrible. Yah a Peace forum set up for political slander. Thats funny

The Democrats were pussies and the Bush Administration was fucking incompetent.

The lies began when they realized their mistake, but the war on Iraq began to form with Dick Cheyney and Donald Rumsfeld's lack of trust in CIA Inteligence of no WMD's in Iraq due to an inteligence lapse from Gulf War I.

Cheyney and his sources got a highly questionable, highly non-plausible, and very shoddy article of a deal between North Africa and Iraq of selling enriched yellow-cake Uranium. Dick Cheyeney then leaked this to the press, unwarranted by the president and the rest of the Administration, as "Official" evidence. To not appear "soft" on terror, and due to the predicament Cheyeney got them into, the president decided to pressure Iraq with the hope that their sources were correct.

They were not. With it came even more shoddy and unreliable evidence (The "Mobile Weapons Factories") that further fueled the media frenzy to push the American public to justify a war on Iraq.

It was after some years of fighting, without any WMD's found they decided to change the subject from "fighting terror" to "Liberating the Iraqi People".

The Bush administration's intentions were bold and admirable, but internal rivalries and poor teamwork raging inside the internal structure made an already indefinite "war" make a turn for the worst.

Hey now, I am not saying we should still be at war. I think we should have left as soon as we couldn't find the WMDs. I strongly feel that this war is wrong now. All I am trying to do is justify Bush sending us to Iraq in the first place.

And I still can't figure out why you are saying the Bush Admin. lied to us... just because there were no weapons doesn't say they lied! Plus, wasn't there some report that Iraq moved the weapons to a different country?

Personally I am sick of people calling people liberals or conservatives, or identifying themselves as liberals or conservatives.

Liberal and conservative are political theories.

You cannot be a political theory, you believe in a political theory.

You can be a Democrat, or you can be a Republican. Because the Democratic and Republicans are political organizations that one can join, they are not political ideologies as their views can shift from one day to the next. One day Republicans can accept gay marriage the next not, and still be a Republican. Where as you are not a conservative if you believe we should be spending insane amounts of money, and have large Federal government that regulates everything (Basically George Bush is not a conservative, he is a economic LIBERAL)

No where in Conservative political theory does it mandate that we should be in Iraq. Or in Liberal political theory that we should not be in Iraq.

What annoys me the most is that nearly everyone throwing around "Liberals are pussies" and "Conservatives are evil" don't ever really know anything about the political theory they claim to "be" and anything about the one they are insulting.

""The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

""I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02"

--buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/11/13_Laden.h ml

Nah, they never lie to us.

lol Did i say they never do? I personally dislike Bush myself, but just because you can say he lied about one thing doesn't mean you can go and say, "He pulled us into war with a lie"

Aren't you being a bit prejudice by immediately stating and stereotyping opinions of people and what they think/say/do? Just 'cause you are liberal/conservative doesn't necessarily mean that you think that way. People are different in many different ways.

I'm assuming you are using the general "you". I never said that about Iraq though I suspect they knew how shaky the 'intelligence' was.

Thing is, Bin Laden and some Saudis are the ones who attacked us....funny we never went after the Saudis.

Welcome back Tek.

I don't think the Bush Administration meant to get us into such a pointless war, I think it merely happened due to faulty intelligence and internal conflict.

The Bush Administration knew htere was no connection between Bin Laden and Saddam, but the context of the War on Terror targeted any "terrorist-harboring state", meaning that any state with the intent to sell arms to terrorist, whether or not they were the onse htat attacked us, is a declared enemy. Such a broad definition of our enemies makes us a whole lot more of them to add to the indeterminite time we'll be at war.

Terrorism is not something we can fight. We can fight terrorist groups, but terrorism is not a physical manifestation, but a philosophy. Ironically, terrorism goes hand-in-hand with our current military strategy of "Shock and Awe".

Terrorism cannot be beaten because it also exists in the future; it is an "undying 'ism'" that will exist as long as there is hatred, bigotry, paranoia, prejudice, and ignorance within the world, or at least as long as human beings still feel them. part of the problem in invading countries as part of a global "War on Terror" is that it will merely plant the seeds for a new future generation of terrorists born from the strife following the wars we wage; the destruction we bring to their homes and countries is fuel enough for any existing anti-american sentiment to grow in the minds of the youth of the middle east.

Thanks, G. I've been around...just 'ghosting'.

I agree on your terrorist points especially.

"The last real threat was from Hitler."

What about the Soviet Union/Stalin/Communism?

"What about the Soviet Union/Stalin/Communism?"

Stalin okay fair do's he was a pretty bad guy.

Soviet union?

Okay Cold war time, towards the end, the US had just as many warheads etc as USSR, America was just as much as a threat as USSR was to the world you know.

"Peace" is a term of cease fire, where people respect other people decisions in live (religion, leadership etc). Could we ever truely get peace? No, because there will always be those narrow-minded and not torrate of other people's cultures or/and beliefs. If we really all wanted peace we all would have to respect each over and accept each other.

Perhaps when I wrote this, "liberal" might have been a bit general. What I had more in mind was the pacifists.

If you're talking about my reply then thanks for changing. The only problem I have now is that I don't know what a pacifist is! The reason I replied talking about generalization and stuff is because I took offense from that. As I'm still in middle school children at my age are likely to have more radical ideas, and hence, at the time me and most of my friends would be considered more liberal then conservative. Sorry if I'm wasting your time or anything. I wont care if you tell me to leave.

lol No problem. Let's just say pacifists are.... short and simple, war haters. haha

Cool. Works for me.

"What about the Soviet Union/Stalin/Communism?"

I don't recall us going to war with them.

We almost had a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. That pretty much guarantees the end of the world. Just imagine if the USSR had launched one of its missiles... If that isn't a threat to humanity, I don't know what is. You may say that, since we had just as many (If not more) nukes as they did, they wouldn't DARE attack us. But you have to remember, there's some wackos out there. Not everyone thinks before they act.

well, i think world peace means peace on a global/political scale. individuals will always have dissagreements and some choose to solve those dissagreements violently.