well if that is the storyline (i dont think it is) i think it would be starting to get too crazy. i mean come on.

I begrudged using those examples:

Obviously these are extreme examples (ones I do not believe myself), but nevertheless, is it not possible?

well i mean i guess its possible. Anything is possible with MGS4 it could end up being anything.

Think 9/11, the public aftermath, the rise of PMC's, and the ongoing war.

Plot in a nutshell.

Oh, yeah, and we gotta kill Liquid.

That's not what I'm saying. I completely understand the plot too. But is what I've just said incorrect?

(sigh)

No, Compy, I'm playing Devil's Advocate for the mjillionth time.

Jeez... -.-'

What have I told you about playing the Devil's Advocate, Orca? Nothing? Alrighty then...

:P. Still need an answer though. Is what I've said valid?

The argument of whether or not what you have said is valid, is not the point here. Of course it's valid, because it's your own thoughts and ideas.

Now, whereas it might pertain to the plot of GotP, I don't believe anyone here can really say. Kojima has done such a wonderful job in the past of screwing our minds, that we are generally left in the dark as to what is possibly going on. Only until we experience it and learn the answers for ourselves, will we be able to look back at the whole scheme of things.

It's not my opinion. It is the way I've read the plot, but was wondering if someone can confirm it or tell me if I've got the wrong idea. Put it this way: Is it possible that anything can happen in MGS4 because of S3?

Most certainly, anything could happen in MGS4 because of the S3 plan.

But, as to what, if anything could happen, we'll just have to wait until the game comes out next month.

yea but i thought the S3 plan was stopped when GW was destroyed.

No, the AI was the S3, and though it included GW (the progrm to filter information) the AI core remained intact and operational.

The AI was what spoke to Raiden prior to and during the fight with Solidus.

well it cant really filter out because it would need GW to run the filtering right? (im just going off of my memory. I need to play it again soon)

The S3 wasn't the filtering program. GW was. What the S3 was was a real-time situation analysis kernel with Raiden providing the core essential medium for data intake.

In other words, the AI needed to have an extreme scenario so as to paradigm it and refer from it all possible angles of solution for problem solving.

The S3 IS the AI. Selection for Societal Sanity is what the AI was designed to do, not so much GW.

oh. haha. well tonight ill play though mgs2 real quick and watch the ending again

Yeah... I should probably play MGS2 through a few times before Th061208... Refresh my obsession.

(twitch)

:P

haha. yeah. im gonna start playing all the mgs games in order starting may 15th. watch all the movies and stuff

Yah, we hit what I was driving at. Btw, the AI talking to Raiden at the end was called JFK.