well, this is just an opinion things most of the time anyways, u really wont get much of a difference with the ds lite, i like the ds, dont get me wrong, and for the most part i tilt slighty to the ds, but in this case id recommend the psp, just cuz really, i have a felling the psp is going to be getting a lot of good games this year, and prob some cool extentions, as a first system though, generally the ds is better

I own both a DS and a PSP. I would say get a DS over a PSP. After having a PSP for over a couple years, I would keep it instead of trade it in, but only because of a couple good games. There aren't enough good games out right now to buy a PSP. I would definetly say get a DS.

unless you're a shooter fan dont get psp. only ff game out is advent children which is a movie. be a while before crisis core comes in. others not worth it

and kh will also not come out for a REALLY long time. might as well buy the ds lite. b/c by the time ff and kh games come out for the psp the new slim and lite will hopefully be cheaper and have more colors, how about that.

for the ds lite you can get all the mario games, the zelda game, I suppose ff 3, and many others. platformers and rpg's pretty much, though both ff 3 and M&L: partners in time are pretty mediocore rpgs.

KH and the new FF game probably won't come out until late 2008. There hasn't been much news about them.

Heres some good advice

Don't take advice from the people of this forum go to each handhelds offical website find out what each one has and what games each one can play and then make a decison

well he said all he wanted to to give us what he's about. like I said, if he aint into shooter stuff then give the psp a pass, the good games wont come out yet, might as well wait for a price drop

the ds and its sort of no brainer type of games should keep him company for a while

of course he did ask for "non biased opinions" and that's just silly, what an oxymoron

Send your DS into Nintendo for repairs (free if it's still under warranty, $20 otherwise), and buy a PSP. Everybody wins!

I really only said that because I didn't want to hear from fanboys to nintendo and sony saying somthing like "Buy teh PSP because nintendo suxor11!"

but really now I know what you mean but there's no point in saying that; other than the fact that no one will like, listen, opinions are meant to be biased, otherwise they aren't opinions now are they?

That depends on your opinion on the definition of the word.

no, it depends on merriam webster's oxford's encarta dictionary

Just to clairify things

Fact=Lysol gets rid of 99.9% of germs

Fact= That .1% is the kind of germs that cause the avian bird flu

opinion=Lysol is a rip off

Not really, interpretation goes a long way.

is Lysol some kind of cleaning product?

Sure, why not? The chemical has other uses, not necessarily for cleaning.

so what exactly is it? and why did savage weave it into the conversation?

You guys were talking about facts and I just decided to throw that commercial in there

doth I need to say I have no idea what you're talking about? oh well guess it dont matter now

It was also an example of how most people should distinguish facts from opinion. The opinion basically says "I'm right and you're wrong and no amount of evidence or proof will change that". I dunno, maybe you have to have a high context to understand it.

no, maybe I need to live in america to understand that. or wherever savage saw that commercial

It's a commercial for lysol which is a popular cleaning product but just forget about

I would take savage613's advice if I were you. Do a little research on both systems and make your decision from there.

Opinions are what people think, facts are what people know ;)

Hmm, well how should I put this? Sometimes you can use examples to convey a point. I know some European countries are sort of low context, so they might not understand (e.g. Russian, German, or any others which are remotely similar). Purposely being hypocritical on a message board can be a technique for trolling, but it can also convey a point because it makes your opponent say the obvious and shout out the true point you were aiming for. It's kinda fun because in the end, the opponent will think they're right and everyone is happy. You also generate more forum traffic.

^ ^ which game is this?

The game of "teh interweb".

cant say I've heard of it, and I only buy big franchise names