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Provided by: bwglade26
Feb 23, 2008
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the thing I HATE about the bible
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Do you know what I REALLY hate about the bible? Its that it is left open for interpretation, which makes its meaning endless. It can be said or used in any purpose,and anyone that questions it automatically goes against it. Even more that the catholic church "interprets it" into anything they want it to. centuries ago the pope claimed that bible and got himself "TOLD" me that to take back our holy lands from the infidels. Centuries later, people use it to disprove abortion, (which,I don't know how they even would have done in biblical times,throw them in a river?)stop a possible cure for cancer or heart disease from being made or studied (stem-cell research), and even not to accept homosexuals from being accepted. And thats not all, through out time "The bible" has been the flawless, full-proof escape for everything. Slavery,feminism,anti-semitic, the bible justifies or condemns them all. Imagine the bible theoretically saying this: women without her men is nothing. Now imagine 2 people come up, a feminist and a machoist. Now the feminist says oh,that MEANS that a men without her women is NOTHING. However the machoist says NO, it means that a women without her men is NOTHING. Both see it two different ways (which would be more clear if the bible shared our use in commas) Now tell me,who is right? Who DECIDES who is right? (The pope since he "speaks for god"?) |
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There are 19 Replies:
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Person and Time
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I agree one million percent, and I say this over and over on this forum. The Protestant idea of "everyone can interpret the Bible for themselves" is doomed to failure |
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NonSumDignus
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 16 hours ago)
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The Bible is so muddled and self contradictory that anyone can interpret it anyway they want. Hence, the Inquisition, the Crusades, the burning of witches, slavery, racism, etc. The Bible is pretty much like the Lord of the Rings to me. |
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AeroForce One
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 16 hours ago)
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So ONE PERSON gets to speak about it, despite being HUMAN? If he in infallible in doctrine, why not in everything else, TC? Private interpretation leads to a better view of things, because the Bible CAN BE vague at points. |
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Angelika
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 15 hours ago)
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The reason it can be vague is the very reason we need an infallible guide. And it is not the Pope who is infallible, per se, but the Church. The Pope doesn't make infallible pronouncements often (2 in the last 200 years) |
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NonSumDignus
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 15 hours ago)
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The reason it can be vague is the very reason we need an infallible guide. I don't approve of dictators. |
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Psygnosis
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 15 hours ago)
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The Pope doesn't make infallible pronouncements often (2 in the last 200 years) But everything you and your church stand for is fallible. None of it is true! Your religion is a myth. |
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AeroForce One
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 15 hours ago)
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But everything you and your church stand for is fallible. None of it is true! Your religion is a myth. Wow, really!? Thanks for enlightening me! That clears up everything! |
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NonSumDignus
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 15 hours ago)
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If you ever read The Bible look for the author. It isn't god. |
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realigion
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 14 hours ago)
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" Who DECIDES who is right?" I think God does. I don't leave who is right anod who is wrong solely up to a single person; we can't even reach a cocensus about what the Bible advocates. |
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Forte Lambardi
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 14 hours ago)
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You're absolutely right, NonSumDignus. The sale of indulgences was totally infallible. What a great and perfect decision the church came to. |
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The Bandit
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 14 hours ago)
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The doctrine of indulgences is infallible. And donating to charity is a means of gaining an indulgence. But that can be abused to mean that one can buy indulgences. Fortunately, that was corrected and it is now canonically forbidden to do so. |
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NonSumDignus
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 12 hours ago)
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It still happened, Non. History proves it. Or is history wrong? |
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Angelika
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 12 hours ago)
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I never denied it happened. I said it was an abuse of a doctrine which is a part of the Deposit of Faith, and still exists. Indulgences are an essential part of Catholicism. http://www.fisheaters.com/indulgences.html |
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NonSumDignus
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 12 hours ago)
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And obviously not all of them are right. Twisting the Scriptures to fit our own ideas results in false teachings and the actions that accompany them. (2 Pet. 3:15, 16) Two things can help us to understand the Bible correctly. First, consider the context (surrounding verses) of any statement. Next, compare texts with other statements in the Bible that deal with the same subject. In that way we are letting God’s own Word guide our thinking, and the interpretation is not ours but His. That is the approach we take. Gods word is complete, therefore, when a religion creates additional or confliting doctrines they are truely following man made traditions and docrtines and not those of God. (Matthew 15:9) "It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrines." (Mark 7:13) ". . .and thus YOU make the word of God invalid by YOUR tradition which YOU handed down. And many things similar to this YOU do.” Peace |
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savusadarda
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 10 hours ago)
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The Protestant idea of "everyone can interpret the Bible for themselves" is doomed to failure I agree as well. If you hand a Bible to a group of young adults and tell them "Each of you interpret this in your own way" then that is like playing with knives. One teaching, the Bible. A clear understanding and the TRUTHFUL interpretation. That's why it's good to be taught, preached, etc. It's good to ask questions to things you're unsure of. Nice post. It makes me think a bit deeper. |
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Immaculate Blood
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Feb 23, 2008
(78 days and 2 hours ago)
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Twisting the Scriptures to fit our own ideas results in false teachings and the actions that accompany them. Which is exctly why I like private interpretation. If you mindlessly take what a preacher tells you, how do you know HE'S not twisting the words? Oh, right. The Church is infallible, and so are its teachings. I agree with King, when he says that there's no way for ANY of us to know what God truly wants. I mean, he wants something different for all of us. People try to claim they know what It wants (when you come up with a neutral-gender word in English, I will use that word and not It), but how can they? Yes, you can ask God, but how do you know that little voice in the back of your head is God and not your lovely little shoulder Devil shouting, "Pancakes! Pancakes! Pancakes! Pancakes!" (Quote from my friend, but she's got a point.) And then there's scripture. Again, I point out, that not only was the Bible written by the hands of man, but a group of men decided what went into it and what didn't. And weren't some of the books that didn't make it get burned...? |
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Angelika
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Feb 24, 2008
(77 days and 17 hours ago)
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"Which is exctly why I like private interpretation." The 9/11 hijackers liked it a lot too. "If you mindlessly take what a preacher tells you, how do you know HE'S not twisting the words? Oh, right. The Church is infallible, and so are its teachings." The Catholic Church can trace it's line of leaders all the way back to Jesus and Saint Peter. Not only that but the leaders of the Church have spent years studying the Bible and know the context of the teachings. Not all of us are Bible scholars and I doubt that most of the people that base their beliefs on their own interpretations have any good background education of the Bible. |
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xssx
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Feb 24, 2008
(77 days and 14 hours ago)
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"Which is exctly why I like private interpretation." Private interpretation doesn't exclude you from twisting the words of the Bible to fit your own preferences. If you read the Bible you would know you're not supposed to "mindlessly take what your preacher tells you." If you read Thessalonians you would realize it advises to test all things and hold on to what is good and true. "People try to claim they know what It wants (when you come up with a neutral-gender word in English, I will use that word and not It), but how can they? " Because a particular person use his/her experiences to make the conclusion that God wants based on what he/she experienced. In essence, we do this too in school: a student (who you're a friend of) will tell you what that teacher (that friend had this class before you and you just now get into it) will expect from you (which is true alot of the time). Although, I agree with you in that we can't, fully, comprehend what God wants from us, but this does not mean we cannot take shots at what God wants with us and be wrong (so long as we're still willing to listen to God even when we think we've found our calling). "Again, I point out, that not only was the Bible written by the hands of man, but a group of men decided what went into it and what didn't. And weren't some of the books that didn't make it get burned...?" And this is why you CONSULT GOD when you read the Bible because he WILL show you the truth behind it (given that you actually LISTEN to Him). |
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Forte Lambardi
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Feb 24, 2008
(77 days and 13 hours ago)
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I think God does. I don't leave who is right anod who is wrong solely up to a single person; we can't even reach a cocensus about what the Bible advocates. That's exactly the same thing I was thinking; I just couldn't put it into words. |
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ut19
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Feb 24, 2008
(77 days and 11 hours ago)
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