I agree with you on most parts, but I think Wind Waker was a bit off the Zelda series. DON'T GET ME WRONG I loved the game. IT just didn't seem like a zelda game to me.

You're entitled to your own opinion, of course. I'm speaking in particular about the type of people who complain simply because they don't like the new features. It irks me, because if the game DIDN'T have anything new, they'd complain about THAT.

OOOOOOH!!! Yeah every zelda game is unique in it's own way. New items, New quests, New ideas... i don't know why poeple complain about that.

It's because Zelda spoils them, lol. They're all so good that people just gradually begin demanding more and more...

Ahhh i see what you mean. IT spoiled me lol. I was expecting more from twilight pricess, but I realized i was asking for too much.

Twilight Princess was my favorite game in the series, actually. What did you expect from it, exactly? Just curious.

Longer game o.O then I realized this game took forever too beat. It doesn't need too be longer.

lol, yeah, it's a pretty long game. I took my time and beat it in 70 hours my first playthrough. I think that's a good length for a game. :P

Nice. :D

I haven't played my first file in a while, but last time I checked, I had about 95:00.

wow... It seems we have no life. 95 hours on a video game. That's almost 4 days straight.

lol, yeah, but it's not like I played it for four days straight. xD

No, like I said, I took my time; I beat it over the period of a month.

Though...I do play video games a lot, especially now. Brawl is just too good. xD

YAY!!!!! BRAWL!!! I WANNA BRAWL YOU!!! wait, i don't have a wii or brawl XD!

xD

Hmmm...well, that's a problem, isn't it? :[

You NEED one...Brawl is simply too good...:O

My cuz has brawl.I might be going over there for spring break. Mabye I can brawl you then?

Sorry for the delay, I was preoccupied with something else. Anyways, when is your spring break? Because I'm on mine now. xD

But yeah, that sounds good. Here's my friend code for Brawl...

1805-1832-9462

mine starts right after tomorrow.HIs name is nightmare rider on the brawl forum.

Okay, I'll try and find him. :D

I warn you...I'm not the best, lol. xD

I hardly played Melee at all, and only rented the first one...so I'm somewhat of a smash bros noob, lol. Still, it's fun. :P

Ehh... im not that great. well on melee with roy i am but not on brawl. So this should be a "good" match.

lol, we'll have to wait and see.

Ok then BRING IT ON! WE'LL BRAWL TILL DAWN!!!! j/k

lol. :P

Well, I'm going to be heading off for the moment! Nice talkin' to ya, and I'm looking forward to our Brawl! :D

K C YA!!! I'll be waiting.

I don't know what you mean by "spoiled" it's not like we're getting these games for free. If I'm paying $30 - $50 for a game I would like for it to be good.

I can see defending The Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess had some good aspects, but why Phantom Hourglass? For a Zelda game it was pretty bad. Given the touchscreen controls were nice, but it doesn't matter how well you can control your character if the game itself sucks. It had no good music, the story was bad, it made you return the the temple of the ocean king way too many times (i.e. more than once), and the sailing sucked(and I actually liked the sailing in TWW).

Really is me by the way, I accidentally hit an extra key =P.

I pretty much agree with everything Deospawn has said there, it's about time someone told all the complainers to shut up. Goodness me, can you imagine people playing videogames in the early ninties being handed Twilight Princess and then complaining that it was 'too easy'? No, they'd be in awe for months, and when they'd finally regained enough control in their jaw they'd ask us how the heck such amazing game worlds were lovingly created and implimented, and why we fail to appreciate the age we live in.

Also, about which games are better: Anyone noticed how when a new game in a series comes out that pretty much no'one claims it to be the 'best one yet', rather, they say 'great, but not quite as good as'? I bet some people are even now comparing Mario Galaxy to 64 and saying that. The bottom line is, nostalgia is a power emotion, and it has a tendency to warp our perception at times. For my mind, TP was by far the best Zelda game, regardless of whether 00T is harder, you could say that just makes the former more accessible, some people were unable to finish OOT or see all of it, not everyone has ten hours to sit down and play videogames everyday. TP offered an unrivalled sense of freedom, even now I gallop on Epona through the beautiful fields, between the valleys, awestruck at the sheer scale of it all. Epic doesn't begin to describe the feeling. You ever switched to first person on horseback over the Lake Hylia Bridge, and slowly turned full circle, taking in the twinkling, haunting surface of the water miles below, to the stretching, barren wasteland of Gerudo Valley, to the twisting and turning pathways leading to your position, and if you look just right, the faint glimpse of Hyrule castle beckoning just beyond the horizon. That alone defines nearly everything I ever wanted from a Zelda game. Do you think if TP had been released late 90s with OOT graphics, then OOT had been released a year ago with TP graphics that everyone would still say Ocarina was better?

Fast forward thirty years and we'll probably be playing Zelda by being Link, where every move we make is duplicated by him, and it will feel real, yet even then we will probably be complaining. The point is enjoy what you have, because we've been blessed by some of the finest creations to inspire the imagination yet. At their best, games are very much to be the artwork of the modern world. Anyone can draw on their knowledge of the mundanity of this reality, just pick up a copy of Medal Of Honour with it's seventy two shades of mud-brown and blood-red and you'll see what I mean. Pick up a copy of Mario Galaxy or Twilight Princess and experience the finest of inspiration and creativity the technological world has to offer.

I'll agree with the majority of this post. However, a quick word on TP-bashing.

The fact is that by delaying TP for over a year, Nintendo raised the hype even more than it already was, and thusly assured two things: One, that they would sell a ton of copies, and Two, that people would be let down. With all that time to wait, hope, and imagine, people were expecting the single, unquestionably best video game of all time. Same thing happened to Halo 3. Both good games, but they simple COULDN'T live up to the hype.

Also, those who complain (like myself, I admit) about TP being too easy are often tricked by their own skill. Between OoT and WW, and then between WW and TP, people got better. Those whose first Zelda game was OoT probably found WW too easy, and the same thing applies here. At least in part.

Now, I'm not claiming to be particularly 1337, but I got through TP, my FIRST TIME without dying once, in under 39 hours of play. That's too easy. When ~Ganondorf~ can only do a heart and a half of damage, that's too easy. Even assuming that I improved 100% since my first time through WW, I should have died twice. As Zelda games go, it WAS an easy one.

That being said, I love TP. But it's only my fourth favorite Zelda game.

Also, I think people SHOULD complain and criticise. The reason there's such a high standard is because the fans won't accept anything less. If we didn't complain, Nintendo wouldn't HAVE to make their games any good. The hotter the fire, the stronger the steel.

I'm as much a Zelda fan as anybody. That's why I complain about what I find lacking. I love the series, and I want it to always be the absolute best it can be. Some games simply don't quite live up to the standard all the time. TP was a bit too easy, MC was just plain WEIRD, etc. WW, OoT, ALttP, each of them has flaws. If we don't point them out, we're letting the series down. Blind love of a series is just foolishness.

It's freedom of speech u dumb fools

My biggest gripe with TP was its difficulty. I know they were trying to rope in more casual gamers, but they could have easily pleased both crowds with difficulty levels(like in Metroid Prime 3).

the reality is, this is how it is for any any franchise or developments made by corporations. people will always critisize no matter what they do. there is no game that can be made without faults, becuz people are the ones who create the faults thru their constant critisism.... itll always be, and its usually more or less depending on the popularity of the franchise. zelda is very popular. critics will be there.

Listen. I agree with anyone who though that WW was waaaay off-the-seires, but a zelda game is a zelda game. Sure, TP was kindof like past games, but it doesnt matter. as i said in another post, you are limeted with a sword, a sheild, and various other contraptions. TP was my second favorite. OOT, being my first game, was more inspirational than anything. whati kinda didnt like about TP was that there was no insturment that allowed the player to make your own notes. The wolf link dosent count. 3 notes dosent qualify as an insturment

The trouble is that the Ocarina in Ocarina Of Time was pretty much essential to the story, and thus had to have significant substance to using it and playing it. Even the Wind Waker in same name game (lol) only had a few different directions and speed changes, again crucial to the story. Twilight Princess focused on other elements in the game, like the Twilight and removing it from Hyrule. Having another significant instrument would have only divided the focus further, and served no real purpose. At least they chose to encorporate some musical element into it with Wolf Link, Link's reeds etc.

As for difficulty, Din's Fire's probably got it spot on. Overall TP probably was slightly easier than OOT, but it made up for it by being a bigger game, both in terms of map and sheer number of tasks. I personally believe the only reason people say their isn't as much person interaction is because the map, as I said, is bigger, so IN PROPORTION there aren't as many quests per square metre as Ocarina, so it seems diluted, but there are still just as many sidequests etc in TP, it just seems not. But even if it was slightly easier, for one as I said that means more people can enjoy and see it all as opposed to just those who were good enough to finish OOT, plus if you were to play TP first THEN OOT, you'd probably say OOT was no harder, except perhaps the Water Temple.

Yeah, I agree with you. Some people are so hypocritical and retarded. Gosh, SHUT UP haters, for crying out loud. They're practically the bane of my existence, the way I help chatise people to stop there annoying behaviour all the time. Ugh.

I suppose it's human nature. We all know that people will always find SOMETHING to whine about. Makes me wish I had some duck tape handy....